Who should ask for forgiveness (Michigan or Webber)?

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Boo, freaking hoo... he had no problems taking that cash. I don't feel sorry for Webber one iota. Further, you can't be the victim as this article tries to say if you don't get involved with Martin and take the money.

PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY IS SO LOST IN THIS COUNTRY ITS RIDICULOUS!

Michigan owes him nothing. He owes Michigan nothing. If they want a relationship, Michigan stands more to benefit having him involved again with the program so they should reach out to him. That said, I find the whole disassociation stuff to be moronic. That is something that needs to be scrapped by the NCAA because it does nothing IMO.
 
Michigan needs Webber far more than Webber needs Michigan. Last time I checked, Webber was doing just fine despite his "banning" from the university. He's also never going to admit to anything, so there's no point in worrying about it.
 
BrokerZ said:
Michigan needs Webber far more than Webber needs Michigan. Last time I checked, Webber was doing just fine despite his "banning" from the university. He's also never going to admit to anything, so there's no point in worrying about it.
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And Michigan doesn't really even NEED him. It would be nice and a luxury to have your alumni involved, but the fact of the matter is that very few NBA alumni are active within their schools. There are exceptions, but the overwhelming majority aren't.

Hell, in contacting our hoop alumni for the "Where Are They Now?" segments I've done, very few stay involved with the program. Most are either casual fans or don't have any contact.
 
Perfect example of why the NCAA is out of touch and has idioitic rules in place!

Michigan needs Webber (wants is probably a better term) much more than Webber needs Michigan. Simple as that...as far as the victim BS, where were his parents? And why didn't they do something? The argument that Martin has the POWER to change anything for Webber is crazy talk. Webber was the real deal, the best player of that time period, if not in the country he was in the top 5 for certain. He was going to play, he was going to go where ever he wanted to go...there was no avoiding it, there was nothing that Martin could do either way. Webber was not the victim, he was the willing participant and so were his parents.

But the disassociation crap is moronic as you say Boda. Stupid as hell! Makes the NCAA look like the angry old man down the street that yells at a kid for walking through the yard! The NCAA is so out of touch...and what do they expect when the NCAA is all about money, for the players not to be interested in the money too?
 

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The article is obviously slanted, but it's written more as an opinion piece anyway. To me, it's not so much about feeling bad for Webber as it is calling out the university for it's shitty behavior.
 
bent20 said:
The article is obviously slanted, but it's written more as an opinion piece anyway. To me, it's not so much about feeling bad for Webber as it is calling out the university for it's shitty behavior.
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But wasn't the disassociation mandated by the NCAA? Trying to understand how Michigan is at fault here at all.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
But wasn't the disassociation mandated by the NCAA? Trying to understand how Michigan is at fault here at all.
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In such instances, I think the implication becomes rather clear, that the player, more than the instituition, is to blame in such a case. I don't agree with that at all. Michigan knew full what was happening and bears even more responsibility than the players.
 
This is a story told to me by a senior Nike exec over a decade ago. Seems that webber was scheduled to have a major photo shoot with Nike and do some charity work at the same time.. If I am not having a senior brain fart, I recall it was at MSG. Anyway, there were photographers, a video crew, charity reps and a whole assortment of others waiting for Webber... Who never showed up. So they rescheduled... And Webber didn't show up. And a third time. According to the Nike exec, Webber not only proved himself to be a major a-hole, but cost himself several hundred thousand dollars as well. I don't recall the other Webber stories he related, but we were in a limo driving from NYC to Connecticut, and he told Webber stories the entire trip.
 
bent20 said:
In such instances, I think the implication becomes rather clear, that the player, more than the instituition, is to blame in such a case. I don't agree with that at all. Michigan knew full what was happening and bears even more responsibility than the players.
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That's awful broad, no? I doubt "Michigan" knew full what was happening. Steve Fisher? Sure. Former AD? Quite possibly. Neither of which are still with the school. In all likelihood there is nobody at Michigan currently that was there when the Webber was roaming campus. The only person at Michigan that still harbors ill will is the University President. She stated the banners will never be put back up on her watch.

I just can't fault Michigan here. Steve Fisher and any party that the NCAA deemed had knowledge should have been banned from coaching, working or administrating in college athletics. That is the only way this sort of thing will stop. As to what I think Michigan should do. Retire his jersey.
 

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bluestreak said:
This is a story told to me by a senior Nike exec over a decade ago. Seems that webber was scheduled to have a major photo shoot with Nike and do some charity work at the same time.. If I am not having a senior brain fart, I recall it was at MSG. Anyway, there were photographers, a video crew, charity reps and a whole assortment of others waiting for Webber... Who never showed up. So they rescheduled... And Webber didn't show up. And a third time. According to the Nike exec, Webber not only proved himself to be a major a-hole, but cost himself several hundred thousand dollars as well. I don't recall the other Webber stories he related, but we were in a limo driving from NYC to Connecticut, and he told Webber stories the entire trip.
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Doesn't surprise me. The way he treated Golden State brass was terrible.
 
Sackalot said:
Perfect example of why the NCAA is out of touch and has idioitic rules in place!

Michigan needs Webber (wants is probably a better term) much more than Webber needs Michigan. Simple as that...as far as the victim BS, where were his parents? And why didn't they do something? The argument that Martin has the POWER to change anything for Webber is crazy talk. Webber was the real deal, the best player of that time period, if not in the country he was in the top 5 for certain. He was going to play, he was going to go where ever he wanted to go...there was no avoiding it, there was nothing that Martin could do either way. Webber was not the victim, he was the willing participant and so were his parents.

But the disassociation crap is moronic as you say Boda. Stupid as hell! Makes the NCAA look like the angry old man down the street that yells at a kid for walking through the yard! The NCAA is so out of touch...and what do they expect when the NCAA is all about money, for the players not to be interested in the money too?
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YGBSM! How in the HELL does 'Michigan need Webber?' beilein doesn;t have a problem recruiting the sons of NBA stars and indiana kids w/out webber. Hmmm -- didn't michigan just lose in the NCAA title game WITHOUT Webber's assistance??

I for one could give two :censored: if michigan and/or webber decide to make up; who the hell cares.

but neither one NEEDS the other, it's as simple as that.
 
A sad lil story for everyone involved...however, as rich as Michigan, Chris Webber and the NCAA are...is there a real story here?
 
Jason Svoboda said:
And Michigan doesn't really even NEED him. It would be nice and a luxury to have your alumni involved, but the fact of the matter is that very few NBA alumni are active within their schools. There are exceptions, but the overwhelming majority aren't.

Hell, in contacting our hoop alumni for the "Where Are They Now?" segments I've done, very few stay involved with the program. Most are either casual fans or don't have any contact.
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Any more of these in the future ?
 

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