If you believe some of the rumormongers on some of the IU sites, Kitchell either has an offer or some interest from Indiana. But unless Crean runs a bunch of people off they have two schollies for 2010 and 2011 combined.
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'10 IN PF Jake Kitchell (9/21/2009, LOI)
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If you believe some of the rumormongers on some of the IU sites, Kitchell either has an offer or some interest from Indiana. But unless Crean runs a bunch of people off they have two schollies for 2010 and 2011 combined.
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Everything I am reading on the kid says he is from a small town and close to his family. If that is true, that could eliminate a lot of schools that are too far from home or too big. Here's hoping that Indiana State is neither too big or too far, but "just right".
Some more information from the "other" sycamore fan forum - the dig by the reporter is particularly insulting:
http://members.boardhost.com/isuhoopforum/msg/1244989053.html
http://members.boardhost.com/isuhoopforum/msg/1244989053.html
Us lowly Missouri Valley squads cannot ever become upper tier if our in-state talent continually opts to go out of state. Thanks to the douchebag reporter for helping steer (albeit unintentionally?) a top prospect out of state.
This kind of thing pisses me off. There is a ton of D1 basketball talent in this state and to not even mention any of the Home State Us in favor for a random Pac 10 squad is just poor journalism. He could have easily said "Kitchell also holds offers from Valpo, ISU, etc"
SycamoreFan317
The Renn Level
This guy writes for a Ft. Wayne newspaper and he is talking about low level. I wonder how he would characterize IPFW?
Ipfw...
Isn't IPFW a high school?!
The 'cachet' of Oregon State: It's coached by the 'First Brother-In-Law'
It's in a good conference but name a program other than UCLA and AZ that has been tradtionally good in the PAC10? UW has been getting better but the rest? USC, Az St, Cal, Stanford, WSU, Oregon -- not a bunch of gang busters.
As a school, it's usually the 2nd choice in Oregon; they have some good bball history/tradition but they have been ABYSMAL for years!
FW is an iu town (name a town that isn't outside of West. Laf / Laf) - nuff said
Isn't IPFW a high school?!
The 'cachet' of Oregon State: It's coached by the 'First Brother-In-Law'
It's in a good conference but name a program other than UCLA and AZ that has been tradtionally good in the PAC10? UW has been getting better but the rest? USC, Az St, Cal, Stanford, WSU, Oregon -- not a bunch of gang busters.
As a school, it's usually the 2nd choice in Oregon; they have some good bball history/tradition but they have been ABYSMAL for years!
FW is an iu town (name a town that isn't outside of West. Laf / Laf) - nuff said
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South Bend....sorry couldn't help myself.
How could I forget bend south...
Being from the 'right' part of the State, I've never considered bend south part of Indiana
(just as I don't really consider notre dame an 'Indiana school' -- it's private, the demographics don't reflect a 'cross section' of Indiana.
Isn't the 'typical nd football fan' also an iu basketball fan?
Being from the 'right' part of the State, I've never considered bend south part of Indiana
(just as I don't really consider notre dame an 'Indiana school' -- it's private, the demographics don't reflect a 'cross section' of Indiana.
Isn't the 'typical nd football fan' also an iu basketball fan?
BankShot
The Kleuh Level
Here's the scoop on the Beaver's Head Coach. Yes, he's spent a few years in N. Illinois, thus his EYEGLASS on N. Indiana talent:
http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/robinson_craig00.html
Also note his Assistant's past in BOTH N. IN & N. IL:
http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/pomeday_nate00.html
Given the Ivy League background of the OSU staff, you can expect CONTINUED raids upon Hoosier HS talent! ISU MUST capitalize/activate their historic hoop ROOTS in N. IN to offset such "raids" by out-of state schools.
http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/robinson_craig00.html
Also note his Assistant's past in BOTH N. IN & N. IL:
http://www.osubeavers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/pomeday_nate00.html
Given the Ivy League background of the OSU staff, you can expect CONTINUED raids upon Hoosier HS talent! ISU MUST capitalize/activate their historic hoop ROOTS in N. IN to offset such "raids" by out-of state schools.
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Proud To Be A Tree
The Varsity Level
I think your typical Hoosier in general supports IU hoops and ND football.
Good find! Makes sense how a program that typically stays true to the PNW is all the sudden offering someone in Indiana that has had little pub up to this point.
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Beav89
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Ok, I'm in an interesting position on this one--OSU alum and ardent ISU fan...
One of the things I enjoy about Indiana State fans is that they have a lot in common with OSU fans. I relate to how everyone feels about what this sports writer said--it DID come off as a slight to ISU, and OSU tends to suffer the same treatment as well. Our cousins down the road from us (UO) get more press, have more prominent funding. Crap, they're practically our IU!
I will agree that the Pac-10, overall, has been a lesser basketball conference than in the past. And I'll definitely agree that Oregon State's program has long suffered through a string of ineffective coaches and poor recruiting. They haven't been a good team since Gary Payton played there. But, I am excited about where this program is headed now that Robinson is at the helm.
Here are my reasons that Kitchell will/should consider OSU:
1. Coach Rob makes no bones about the fact that being the "First Brother-in-law" is opening up doors to OSU for recruiting that, quite frankly, would be slammed shut normally. And he and his staff have managed to turn that opportunity into a 2009 recruiting class that's ranked in the Top 25 in the nation (only UCLA and UW are ranked higher in the Pac-10). If the only schools that have formally made offers to me are OSU and ISU (according to Rivals.com), I'd have to consider that.
2. While the '07-'08 team racked up an abysmal 0-18 Pac-10 conference record, the Beavs under Coach Rob turned in a 7-11 conference performance in '08-'09 WITH THE EXACT SAME PLAYERS as 2007. The Beavers were also selected to participate in the CBI tournament this season and won it over UTEP in their own house. Granted, it's a 3rd-tier tourney, but the Beavers were the LAST Pac-10 team still playing basketball this season. The OSU fan base believes that Robinson and his staff are the guys that will finally turn this program around (as long as we can keep him in Corvallis).
I really do wish Indiana State luck in landing Kitchell. If it's true that he's a small town kid and wants to stay close to home, ISU will most likely will get him over OSU. I would love to see the Sycamores run through to win the MVC and get into the NCAA tourney, just like I look forward to OSU doing the same thing. But, trust me when I tell you that if you take this quote:
As a school, it's usually the 2nd choice in Oregon; they have some good bball history/tradition but they have been ABYSMAL for years!
and substitute Indiana in for Oregon, that's exactly how ISU is viewed outside of Indiana and the MVC by others not in the loop. I believe BOTH programs need to be viewed for where they're going, not what they haven't managed to do over the last 20-30 years.
One more reason I use 4Q_iu
As a multi-generational Hoosier; I am embarassed how many people associate my beloved home state w/ a certain, over-weight, out-of-work, bball coach w/ SEVERE Anger Management and Control issues.
iu can yak all the want how 'prestigious' iu is, when in actuality, the majority of America associates the entire state w/ that sphincter.
As a multi-generational Hoosier; I am embarassed how many people associate my beloved home state w/ a certain, over-weight, out-of-work, bball coach w/ SEVERE Anger Management and Control issues.
iu can yak all the want how 'prestigious' iu is, when in actuality, the majority of America associates the entire state w/ that sphincter.
While I can't blame the OSU Coach for using the '1st brother-in-law' cachet; I'd have to think twice about any kid/family using that as part of their reason for selecting OSU.
In no particular order...
1) -- Will I develop as a player/person?
2) -- Can I play in the pros by going to OSU?
3) -- Do I 'fit' with the rest of the team/coach
4) -- Academics? Something I wish to study?
In no particular order...
1) -- Will I develop as a player/person?
2) -- Can I play in the pros by going to OSU?
3) -- Do I 'fit' with the rest of the team/coach
4) -- Academics? Something I wish to study?
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Beav89
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LOL! As an out-of-stater, I WILL agree with that assessment.
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Beav89
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And I absolutely agree that all four of these items should be something any student athlete should consider when looking at any school. Those are the exact same things that my nephew considered when he chose to play baseball at ISU. What I will say with regard to #2, even if it's "only OSU" (sorry, couldn't help the nod to the conversation that occurred over on the baseball thread during May), the Pac-10 exposure does give them a leg up. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but when you're in one of the "Big Dog" conferences, it's just a fact.
What I do think both schools can offer Kitchell is the possibility of coming in and possibly making a contribution to the program fairly quickly, which I have to believe is going to be important.
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BankShot
The Kleuh Level
Thanx for stepping in, Beav! Good to have an informed lil' fuzzy animal wearing ISU Blue out in the NW.
Facts vs Fiction
As I've stated on this board previously; I've given up trying to understand the mind of the typical HS kid, especially the athletes, when it comes to their collegiate decision.
BBall is especially rife w/ kids being steered to certain schools, by AAU coaches, shoe representatives, 'family friends/advisors,' etc, etc. FBall is on it's way.
While I am not always a fan of the NCAA; I AM a firm believer in some sort of umbrella organization policing/administering standards or the entire collegiate athletic arena would look like 'classic UK basketball and SMU football.'
So, if OSU can land some kids using the '1st Bro-In-Law' aka BIL; more power to them but eventually Robinson will have to prove his worth as a coach because he won't always be the 1st BIL.
As I've stated on this board previously; I've given up trying to understand the mind of the typical HS kid, especially the athletes, when it comes to their collegiate decision.
BBall is especially rife w/ kids being steered to certain schools, by AAU coaches, shoe representatives, 'family friends/advisors,' etc, etc. FBall is on it's way.
While I am not always a fan of the NCAA; I AM a firm believer in some sort of umbrella organization policing/administering standards or the entire collegiate athletic arena would look like 'classic UK basketball and SMU football.'
So, if OSU can land some kids using the '1st Bro-In-Law' aka BIL; more power to them but eventually Robinson will have to prove his worth as a coach because he won't always be the 1st BIL.
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Beav89
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I agree with you on this one, and I have to believe our AD (Bob DeCarolis) is of the same opinion. He let our last coach go on too long with horrible performance to justify going through that merry-go-round again.
And speaking of DeCarolis, he was actually a finalist for the AD job at IU about a year ago. Much to the relief of Beaver Nation, he was not selected. I think it was IU's loss--he's a terrific guy.
Still only holds offers from Valpo, Oregon State and Indiana State.