'13 IN SF Alex Etherington (Transferred to UIndy)

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Apparently he doesn't want to play much then. I'm sure if he came here he could play a lot.......maybe even start!
 
pbutler218 said:
Apparently he doesn't want to play much then. I'm sure if he came here he could play a lot.......maybe even start!
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He would play (probably) but he wouldn't start.

You have to remember that all of these kids have been very good their whole lives, so even if someone comes to them and says "you're really not at the SEC or Big Ten level", most have too much confidence and then want to prove others wrong. The vast majority of 17 year old kids are going to be seduced by the name and the history and the facilities of a larger school, and won't take the time to see how they fit into the overall program and where they will be in two or three years.

Look at K. Smith, he has openly said that when he went off to prep school, he "grew up" and learned about himself, and his priorities changed. Suddenly, playing close to home was more important.

FYI, lot of discussion on the IU pages (don't ask me why I go there from time to time) about how Crean has too many recruits and not enough spots available if certain guys decide to return. I wonder if guys stay and recruits have offers pulled how much heat Crean will take for that? My guess, not much.
 
Bluethunder said:
FYI, lot of discussion on the IU pages (don't ask me why I go there from time to time) about how Crean has too many recruits and not enough spots available if certain guys decide to return. I wonder if guys stay and recruits have offers pulled how much heat Crean will take for that? My guess, not much.
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Maybe Alex's brother will be one and decide to make the short trek up to the Haute.

Damn it, I just want some one who isn't afraid to shoot it to fill this last scholarship. lol.
 
Bluethunder said:
You have to remember that all of these kids have been very good their whole lives, so even if someone comes to them and says "you're really not at the SEC or Big Ten level", most have too much confidence and then want to prove others wrong. The vast majority of 17 year old kids are going to be seduced by the name and the history and the facilities of a larger school, and won't take the time to see how they fit into the overall program and where they will be in two or three years.
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That is where you'd expect his high school and AAU coach, not to mention his parents to step in and be realistic, especially since they have another son that went high major and will likely be nothing more than a bench piece his entire career if not a scholarship casualty due to Crean's overrecruiting.
 

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I guess I understand not being able,at 18 to admit you're not quite good enough to really make a difference at whatever big school recruits you,but somewhere along the line you would think most guys would prefer to play and get a chance to show what they can do.I suppose that 20 years from now you can always say you were on the final four team from wherever and not many people will know that you were only a scout team player.Also getting an education from IU,Notre Dame,etc. may be what the kid really wants.I'm afraid we will always have to take the kids just a level lower and hope they exceed expectations.Seems like the only others have some baggage if they end up at ISU.
 
I don't think we need to be accepting only the "lower" kids. I am not trying to imply that at all. I am just saying that from the time his name popped up on the different sites saying he was going to visit or that State was interested in him, I have never gotten a feeling that he was THAT interested in us. I just kind of always felt like we were a backup plan in the bigger boys didn't come calling. That is strictly my "gut feeling" and I have no hard facts or details to back it up.

My point with respect to Alex is that by looking at the situation objectively (and admittedly on paper only), it appears that he is looking for a bigger name to be a part of. That doesn't mean that everyone who comes out of high school shares that mindset. Look at Brenton Scott, there were multiple recruiting sites that stated he might have gotten other offers had he waited. He felt comfortable at State and chose to come here. I am not even saying Alex is wrong to look at the bigger schools (if that is even correct that he is looking at bigger names, I could be way off), having faith and confidence in your abilities is not a bad thing, but you also have to be realistic and grounded. If he is good enough to go and play for the Kansas States of the world, then go for it young man. However, you need to take it all in and look at the situation from all angles and then objectively make a decision about what is best for you and where the best is for you.

We have no reason to believe that he isn't getting good advice from his family if for no other reason than the fact that his older brother just went through this exact same process a short time ago. If he comes to State, I will be one of his biggest fans, and if he chooses somewhere else, then best of luck to him. After all, I don't want anyone at State who feels like they had to "settle" for us, or who would rather be somewhere else.
 
Bluethunder said:
I don't think we need to be accepting only the "lower" kids. I am not trying to imply that at all. I am just saying that from the time his name popped up on the different sites saying he was going to visit or that State was interested in him, I have never gotten a feeling that he was THAT interested in us. I just kind of always felt like we were a backup plan in the bigger boys didn't come calling. That is strictly my "gut feeling" and I have no hard facts or details to back it up.

My point with respect to Alex is that by looking at the situation objectively (and admittedly on paper only), it appears that he is looking for a bigger name to be a part of. That doesn't mean that everyone who comes out of high school shares that mindset. Look at Brenton Scott, there were multiple recruiting sites that stated he might have gotten other offers had he waited. He felt comfortable at State and chose to come here. I am not even saying Alex is wrong to look at the bigger schools (if that is even correct that he is looking at bigger names, I could be way off), having faith and confidence in your abilities is not a bad thing, but you also have to be realistic and grounded. If he is good enough to go and play for the Kansas States of the world, then go for it young man. However, you need to take it all in and look at the situation from all angles and then objectively make a decision about what is best for you and where the best is for you.

We have no reason to believe that he isn't getting good advice from his family if for no other reason than the fact that his older brother just went through this exact same process a short time ago. If he comes to State, I will be one of his biggest fans, and if he chooses somewhere else, then best of luck to him. After all, I don't want anyone at State who feels like they had to "settle" for us, or who would rather be somewhere else.
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I think you're spot on on all fronts. I also didn't say he wasn't getting good advice, that just seems to be the MO for recruits in general considering the large number of transfers that happen each and every year.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
I think you're spot on on all fronts. I also didn't say he wasn't getting good advice, that just seems to be the MO for recruits in general considering the large number of transfers that happen each and every year.
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Jason, I agree. I think too many people (including many tv analysts) view going to a school in certain conferences, like the Missouri Valley, as a step down. Almost like, oh he signed with them? I thought he was a better player than that.

Its kind of like our educational system that says everyone should go to college and if you don't then you must have messed up somewhere. Some people look at it as if you signed with Indiana State or Murray State or Belmont, etc then you weren't as successful as the kid next to you who signed with Kentucky or Michigan, etc. just a stigma that will probably always be around.
 

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Bluethunder said:
Jason, I agree. I think too many people (including many tv analysts) view going to a school in certain conferences, like the Missouri Valley, as a step down. Almost like, oh he signed with them? I thought he was a better player than that.

Its kind of like our educational system that says everyone should go to college and if you don't then you must have messed up somewhere. Some people look at it as if you signed with Indiana State or Murray State or Belmont, etc then you weren't as successful as the kid next to you who signed with Kentucky or Michigan, etc. just a stigma that will probably always be around.
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Without a doubt.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
Also, as if you didn't expect it... I missed this the other day. Love this kid.

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Kid is hard not to like ehhh! Hey Jason - I use tap talk and tap talk (at work throughout the day) doesn't let me see these tweets that you repost. Any chance you can copy and paste the tweets so that anyone using Taptalk can see the tweet without waiting until the evening. Just something to think about!

I aint seen BApple (see what I did) play but I am already a huge fan of the kid!

And you guys talk about being old all the time. I learned how to use a computer in HS computer class using one of these antiques Mac.jpg
 

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haven't read through the whole thread but this kid is really talented . He is one of those kids who either could sit the bench at a big time program for 2-3 years and then start/ be a big time contributor or he could play at this level and have a heavy impact from day one and start by year 2 probably. As Wichita has shown there is not a huge talent gap between good valley teams and the rest of college Bball. He would not start here on day one but he would play a role next year and would start in year 2 or 3.

What I don't understand is guys like this would thrive in our league! They are very talented but in the big ten they would not get the opportunity to show what they can do until they are JR's or SR's. Guys who are big time athletes or huge in size get the nod at those programs. In the valley they can showcase what they can do from day one on good basketball teams. I understand kids wanting to play at the "cool" programs but when it comes to what is best for the individual athlete I am shocked guys like this don't opt for the upper mid major programs.
 
Neal was retained at New Mexico. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Also will be interesting to see if his son Cullen gets out of his LOI with St. Marys.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
Neal was retained at New Mexico. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Also will be interesting to see if his son Cullen gets out of his LOI with St. Marys.
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Craig "Noodle" Neal.....1983 grad Washington High School. A name I knew in high school, I being a Springs Valley grad. It's a small world but I wouldn't want to paint it.
 
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