Southgrad07
The Renn Level
What a bum
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'17 TN PG Tyreke Key (Transferred to Tennessee)
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Only 34? Man, he's loosing his touch!
Enjoy this young man you will not find anyone who has worked any harder to get where he is at this point.
Might be a starter from day 1... You can't crown his ass just yet but I don't see why not with Clemons leaving lets see what he can do from day 1.
PG. Barnes
SG. Scott
SF. Key
PF. ???
C. Rickman
PG. Barnes
SG. Scott
SF. Key
PF. ???
C. Rickman
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Southgrad07
The Renn Level
Would love for us to have competent guys at the 3 and be able to treat him like barnes and have him be the 6th man behind a SR (scott). If that doesnt happen that lineup with thomas instead of a ? mark is our best bet for success..awfully small,but it is what it is...
That's exactly how I'd prefer it, too. I think he could spell Brenton and you could even have Brenton move to the PG and him play the 2 together. We need to land a quality SF prospect with this newly opened scholarship... it literally could transform the season.
I agree... we just don't have it and I'd rather see Key at the 3 than Paige.
Sycamore Proud
The Nicks Level
Not exactly ageing with you on this. It's Paige's spot to lose. And I would apply that not only to Q but to any other returnee. Really it's only a matter of words, or should be that way--but you never know.
Q isn't good and shouldn't be starting at this level. You can disagree all you want but he started the majority of the season for a team that finished last in the Valley - he clearly didn't earn anything. Every position is up for grabs at this point.
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I agree that we had more than one player that was not "good enough." You need to look at the stats. Of the top 5 scorers for MVC games, Q is in the top 3 in about every category. That includes TO's which he needs to improve on.
I'm good. It's the off season for us and I'm going to rest and enjoy what Key is doingZ
He looks like an immediate impact/starter to me.
Sycamore Proud
The Nicks Level
We are taking different approach to the same end. Q may lose the nod in the first minute of the first practice. The better of the 2 should win the start. It is a matter of wording. What difference does it make if we say Q has to prove he is better than anyone else or Key has to prove he is better than anyone else? Bottom line is simple--if we don't get more from the 3 spot next season then we did this season, it may very well be as bad as it was this season.
But if we don't get more out of all positions it could be another long year. We just gotta get better.
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Probably not the thread but I imagine 24 hours from now this thread will be flooded with posts about his State Championship so not too worried about it.
Not a big fan of the guy but think he's a BIG time coach and no one really needs me to say that for it to be true. Greg Marshall was talking about Kentucky and apperntly they have 2 kids on KY roster that had verballed to the Shox. Does anyone else other than me find that amazing?
For multiple reasons:
1. Our fans and our coaching staff have dwelled on Bryant Macintosh for several years now. Maybe it's because we had never had it happen to us? I have no idea - maybe we should have viewed as more of a positive than contining to dwell on the negative because our coaching staff was looking at the right kid.
2. If Marshall is at Wichita and he's losing kids to Kentucky?! Oh. My. Lord. I can only take his word for it and that is pretty impressive if the case. He might not be at WSU much longer and they might not be in the Valley much longer.
3. Not sure how tonight is the first I'm hearing about this? Probably because they curb stomp the Valley regardless and they don't dwell on such things. Either way, they are pretty damn good the way it is even without those kids.
Not a big fan of the guy but think he's a BIG time coach and no one really needs me to say that for it to be true. Greg Marshall was talking about Kentucky and apperntly they have 2 kids on KY roster that had verballed to the Shox. Does anyone else other than me find that amazing?
For multiple reasons:
1. Our fans and our coaching staff have dwelled on Bryant Macintosh for several years now. Maybe it's because we had never had it happen to us? I have no idea - maybe we should have viewed as more of a positive than contining to dwell on the negative because our coaching staff was looking at the right kid.
2. If Marshall is at Wichita and he's losing kids to Kentucky?! Oh. My. Lord. I can only take his word for it and that is pretty impressive if the case. He might not be at WSU much longer and they might not be in the Valley much longer.
3. Not sure how tonight is the first I'm hearing about this? Probably because they curb stomp the Valley regardless and they don't dwell on such things. Either way, they are pretty damn good the way it is even without those kids.
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That is all true. Fact is - neither Q or Key is a natural 3 and we shouldn't even be talking about them for that position. They are both either at 1 or a 2 and the fact that we are talking about them competing for a spot at 3 tells us two things.
1. Paige is a weak 3. Not that Key would be a strong 3 either - but that position that Lansing has tried and tried again to plug him into does not freaking work.
2. That Barnes and Scott pretty much have the PG and SG roles locked down. Obviously your going to play Scott at the 2. Barnes seems to be the prototypical PG. That leaves the taller and bigger framed Key for the SF positon. Neither he nor Q should be playing this position. Just think, if you had a decent 3 you could have Key and Q coming off the bench to spell Scott and Barnes. Boy how dangerous could that be?
SycamoreBlue3209
The Newsom Level
I don't think there needs to be so much stress on the prototypical size at the 3 spot. Many successful mid majors roll with a three guard lineup with guys that can dribble drive and kick out to shooters, the key being having guys at the 4 and 5 that can rebound. Unfortunately, this past year we went with a three guard lineup and no one that can rebound down low.
With that said, I would be thrilled to get a guy like Naz Bohannon to play the three and be an elite rebounder from that position.
With that said, I would be thrilled to get a guy like Naz Bohannon to play the three and be an elite rebounder from that position.
Southgrad07
The Renn Level
Disagree..find me one team in our conference or elsewhere that was truly dangerous with 3 dudes starting under 6'2..and for last time yes paige is nowhere near 6'3! I usually have no problem programs pimping a player up a 1/2 or full inch..but we are talking maybe 6'1. Sry, just always have to get that out there when Paige at the 3 is discussed lol..we need help at that position and like ssom said...getting that help would be a double win because all of the sudden our backcourt looks pretty damn good and deep if key and paige dont have to play the 3
I think what you mean (not to put words in your mouth) is that you can play with 3 guards, but not 3 6'0 guards. This year our team was short. It's ok to have 3 perimeter players, but you need some height somewhere. And our deep scoring threat, or lack thereof, made 3 small perimeter players a bad combination. The one thing that I hope Key brings is the ability to drive and rise up and finish over the defense. We had NOBODY this year that could finish over defense. They all had to have a clear path.
In today's game you have to drive and drive and drive. The mid-range offense is gone, and you have to get 3's and layups and draw fouls.
A new SF would help if he is good enough to help. If BK, Rickman, Thomas and Hunermann are all ready to play, it will make our other positions better.
PS: You don't have to drive all the time IF you have bigs you can feed inside. Michigan State does more of that and their big guys are strong and good. (Come on ER and BK -- work hard)
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