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I stumbled across an article which had its rankings of the top 120 players in the portal showing original and destination schools. With so many schools changing conferences, I found a number of inconsistencies in the data in which destination conferences were shown rather than the 23-24 league. I corrected a few of these but mostly I was just counting. Anyway, these numbers are close to correct except for the errors in the article.

I didn't closely look at destination schools, but I don't recall seeing any of the top 120 going to an MVC school.

The MVC had 9 players in the top 120. Avila was #1 and DeVries was #3. Gillespie (18), Tyson (26), Conwell (44), Swope (77), Dia (83), Hickman (96) and Humrichous (119) were on the list also.

Other leagues:
Pac12: 9 (Some count errors here as the article showed some schools as Big10 and Big12 and ACC but I moved most back to Pac12)
Big 10: 13
AAC: 10
Big 12: 13
SEC : 11

ACC: 8
WCC: 7


MWC: 4
Big East: 5
Ivy 3
Summitt 4
CAA: 4
A10: 5
ASun: 2
SoCon 3

One each: Big Sky, Horizon, Sun Belt, Big West, NorthEast, and Patriot League
 

And we spend over $4,000,000 for 1 win a year in football. But luckily we have a lot of high school all-conference players coming that will change the trajectory
 

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What does this have to do with anything?
It has to do with everything. We are dead last in basketball spending (albeit close to SIU and Illinois State). It's not like a Wichita or Creighton or Loyola is still in the conference and outspending every 2x-3x. But we need to at minimum bump the basketball budget up $1,000,000 and be near the top of the conference if we want to be a perennial championship program in the MVC.

You want to up the head coaching salary? up the assistant coach salary? have more home games? charter flights? better nutritionist? more marketing? bigger recruiting budget? It's just insane that we are literally robbing Peter to pay Paul when Paul has NO CHANCE of providing 1/10 of what the basketball team brought to the university this past season.
 
It has to do with everything. We are dead last in basketball spending (albeit close to SIU and Illinois State). It's not like a Wichita or Creighton or Loyola is still in the conference and outspending every 2x-3x. But we need to at minimum bump the basketball budget up $1,000,000 and be near the top of the conference if we want to be a perennial championship program in the MVC.

You want to up the head coaching salary? up the assistant coach salary? have more home games? charter flights? better nutritionist? more marketing? bigger recruiting budget? It's just insane that we are literally robbing Peter to pay Paul when Paul has NO CHANCE of providing 1/10 of what the basketball team brought to the university this past season.
How much is baseball bringing in?
 

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How much is baseball bringing in?

It's considered a non-revenue sport. It has an expectation to lose money.

There are only 3 revenue sports at the majority of schools. Football and men's and women's basketball.

At power schools with legendary programs, baseball can make money. Hockey also falls into the sometimes category... again, only at the schools with legendary programs and followings.
 
Money? National relevance? Media attention? Pride? Community pride? Outside money to the community (hosting regionals, MVC tournament)? For a non-revenue sport you can ask for much more than what are baseball team is doing right now

It's either misdirection or a really poor straw man. Flip a coin?

There is no expectation for baseball to make money but there IS (and should be) an expectation for football to do so based on the significant cost difference to operate. Those costs are going to go up when all of the pay-for-play stuff finally settles. We can't afford it now and we sure as fuck can't when it will cost another several million.
 
Football and men's basketball are known as "revenue sports" in the NCAA because at most universities they are the only two sports that sell any notable amount of tickets. Revenue is not the same thing as profit.

Most schools at the D1 level use student fees to pay for their programs and they report those collected fees as revenue. As you can see with this chart, the less significant the school, the more they rely on student fees.

 

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Here are the budgets to the MVFC schools. Plus a few other budgets of schools that are of interest. Kind of funny that Ball State and Daytons spending is essentially inverses of one another. That begs the question, would you rather be a fan of Ball State football & basketball or Dayton football & basketball? I know my answer.

North Dakota State: $6,405,716
South Dakota State: $6,223,329
North Dakota: $6,016,711
Missouri State: $5,075,930
Illinois State: $4,797,676
Southern Illinois: $4,747,403
Youngstown State: $4,705,366
Indiana State: $4,199,172
South Dakota: $4,171,202
Murray State: $4,034,390
Northern Iowa: $3,795,466
Western Illinois: $2,688,848

Eastern Illinois: $3,810,93 - Basketball: $1,215,134
Ball State: $8,701,842 - Basketball: $2,679,287
Dayton: $2,163,392 - Basketball: $9,381,496
Drake: $1,435,896 - Basketball: $3,708,087
 
It's considered a non-revenue sport. It has an expectation to lose money.

There are only 3 revenue sports at the majority of schools. Football and men's and women's basketball.

At power schools with legendary programs, baseball can make money. Hockey also falls into the sometimes category... again, only at the schools with legendary programs and followings.
If it's a non revenue sport isn't it taking dollars away from basketball?
 
If it's a non revenue sport isn't it taking dollars away from basketball?

If you're trying to play semantics, sure.

Being disingenuous when you know damn well there is nowhere near the expense between the two is nothing short of moronic.

FCS football is 63 scholarships and has a total headcount that runs in excess of 100 players. Matching for Title IX compounds that nearly double when you have to match female opportunities. Baseball is 11.7 scholarships with a max headcount of 39 players. Then toss in game day and operational expense and it's just not comparable but keep reaching for the stars, buddy.
 
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