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I wonder how much farther ISU could advance their academic programs each year with an extra 19 million dollars?


I like where your head is at... keep going. You'll eventually get there. Maybe.

 
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There actually shouldn't be an expectation for any university level sport to make money, since these are - ostensibly - not-for-profit institutions, but here we are.

If you think Not For Profits don't make a profit - think again! The same is true for Non Profits (different than a Not For Profit...) again - think again.

What all of the pin-headed "student"-athletes fail to grasp is the "profits" they've created have benefited them -- their scholarships, their travel for free, their unis, access to better nutrition, better training spaces/weight rooms/trainers than the tuition-paying students is BECAUSE there's a profit.

I just hope they all pay there friggin' taxes on their NIL deals -- we (US) doesn't need MORE of a tax burden on the nation
 
Here are the budgets to the MVFC schools. Plus a few other budgets of schools that are of interest. Kind of funny that Ball State and Daytons spending is essentially inverses of one another. That begs the question, would you rather be a fan of Ball State football & basketball or Dayton football & basketball? I know my answer.

North Dakota State: $6,405,716
South Dakota State: $6,223,329
North Dakota: $6,016,711
Missouri State: $5,075,930
Illinois State: $4,797,676
Southern Illinois: $4,747,403
Youngstown State: $4,705,366
Indiana State: $4,199,172
South Dakota: $4,171,202
Murray State: $4,034,390
Northern Iowa: $3,795,466
Western Illinois: $2,688,848

Eastern Illinois: $3,810,93 - Basketball: $1,215,134
Ball State: $8,701,842 - Basketball: $2,679,287
Dayton: $2,163,392 - Basketball: $9,381,496

Drake: $1,435,896 - Basketball: $3,708,087

Stands to reason NCAA Div I_FBS (85 scholies) ISU_Muncee would have a significantly LARGER football budget than NCAA Div I_FCS (non-scholie) Dayton...

If ISU had a PFL team, we could spend LESS money and have (arguably) the same return;
 
Stands to reason NCAA Div I_FBS (85 scholies) ISU_Muncee would have a significantly LARGER football budget than NCAA Div I_FCS (non-scholie) Dayton...

If ISU had a PFL team, we could spend LESS money and have (arguably) the same return;

I had softened my stance about moving to non-scholarship football since folks like SF96 said he wouldn't ever donate to fund football.

The problem is it sounds like non-scholarship D1 is taking its final breathes with these lawsuits. Even the Ivy Leagues are now kicking around scholarship models to see how much things will cost with the fallout of their own lawsuits. I've got to think the PFL will eventually go the way of the dodo.
 

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@Jason Svoboda I know that this is a very overly simplification of it all, but If nearly 99% of all college athletic programs don't make a profit. Then how the hell is there a lawsuit that says "students-athletes need to be back-paid for the NIL"? The athletic department ran in the red to give you travel, meals, gear, housing, experiences, nutrition, books, facilities, perks etc. It doesn't make sense that someone would expect payment from an organization that didn't make profits from you to begin with. Just a bizarro world
 
@Jason Svoboda I know that this is a very overly simplification of it all, but If nearly 99% of all college athletic programs don't make a profit. Then how the hell is there a lawsuit that says "students-athletes need to be back-paid for the NIL"? The athletic department ran in the red to give you travel, meals, gear, housing, experiences, nutrition, books, facilities, perks etc. It doesn't make sense that someone would expect payment from an organization that didn't make profits from you to begin with. Just a bizarro world

The problem is with those that do and the money they do generate, unfortunately. There is also the belief that they should be paid "pre expense" based on the revenues generated from media rights and licensing. Then after they get their cut, all other cost centers are paid out.

The problem with that is as you mention -- the large majority require student fees and institutional funds to even field programs. If you pull a custom report from the Knight Newhouse data set, 43 schools reported taking $0 in student fees in 2023, 15 schools reported taking $0 in institutional/government support, and only 11 reported $0 in both. Those were LSU, Kansas State, Mississippi State, Penn State, Purdue, Ohio State, Texas, Arkansas, Kentucky, Nebraska, and Oklahoma. Those 11 average $80m per year in media rights and ticket sales. So they have it in spades versus us with our $19m budget with $13.5m of it coming from student fees or institutional/government support.

The bigger problem I have is everything is strictly depending on conference affiliation and what media deals they have. Moreover, because of NCAA and Federal Government rules, namely the requirement combo of sponsoring 14 teams (at the non FBS level) and Title IX, your ability to make a profit is significantly reduced when you're not part of that media rights royalty.
 
I had softened my stance about moving to non-scholarship football since folks like SF96 said he wouldn't ever donate to fund football.

I probably spend around $300 a year at ISU athletic events, which is quite a bit for someone that doesn't even hold a degree from the university. I'm also a season ticket holder for football, so there's that.
 
I probably spend around $300 a year at ISU athletic events, which is quite a bit for someone that doesn't even hold a degree from the university. I'm also a season ticket holder for football, so there's that.

So dividing $4m by that means State needs 13,333 more of you to break even.

That is before realizing that we went from the top of the MVFC in spending when we moved to $4m like 5 years ago to the bottom half as the ceiling is now $5-6.5m. This is without considering that NIL is now in play and you need to be able to buy you a QB and several other key players. So, using $5m + $1m for NIL, State only needs 20,000 more die hard Sycamore football fans like you to make that happen.

Should be doable, right?
 
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How much is baseball bringing in?
Baseball actually wins though.

The football conversation would be entirely different, or at least somewhat different, if they weren't laughably bad both recently and over the past 20 years. Like, even if they were middle of the conference and had some years of competing this would be a different conversation
 
Baseball actually wins though.

The football conversation would be entirely different, or at least somewhat different, if they weren't laughably bad both recently and over the past 20 years. Like, even if they were middle of the conference and had some years of competing this would be a different conversation

more like past 80 years but your points are well made
 
Baseball actually wins though.

The football conversation would be entirely different, or at least somewhat different, if they weren't laughably bad both recently and over the past 20 years. Like, even if they were middle of the conference and had some years of competing this would be a different conversation

Even if they didn't, it's like trying to compare your mortgage with your water bill.
 
So dividing $4m by that means State needs 13,333 more of you to break even.

That is before realizing that we went from the top of the MVFC in spending when we moved to $4m like 5 years ago to the bottom half as the ceiling is now $5-6.5m. This is without considering that NIL is now in play and you need to be able to buy you a QB and several other key players. So, using $5m + $1m for NIL, State only needs 20,000 more die hard Sycamore football fans like you to make that happen.

Should be doable, right?
Add another 50,000 (to the 13,333 number) and that's about what it would take to make the entire athletic department break even without relying on students to carry the load according to their numbers. So basically the entire city of Terre Haute which currently sits at around 60,000.
 

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So dividing $4m by that means State needs 13,333 more of you to break even.

That is before realizing that we went from the top of the MVFC in spending when we moved to $4m like 5 years ago to the bottom half as the ceiling is now $5-6.5m. This is without considering that NIL is now in play and you need to be able to buy you a QB and several other key players. So, using $5m + $1m for NIL, State only needs 20,000 more die hard Sycamore football fans like you to make that happen.

Should be doable, right?
That sounds like fun. I remember games like that.
 
Baseball actually wins though.

The football conversation would be entirely different, or at least somewhat different, if they weren't laughably bad both recently and over the past 20 years. Like, even if they were middle of the conference and had some years of competing this would be a different conversation
What difference does it make if baseball actually wins? They are still taking away money from basketball
 
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