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It's almost like the common denominator here is if you focus and devote more resources to basketball, there is a likelihood that you have greater success.

Weird.

What’s weird is if you were operating it like a business? Then you would want some data points to be able to evaluate and justify such a decision. We’ve ignored the data because we’re not operating like a business. What’s even more interesting is a lot of businesses have to pay money to have access to data that helps them make decisions - this data is free and it’s still being ignored.

The objections are somewhat wild to me as well... We've listed in countless threads the number of very prestigious institutions and athletic departments that don't have scholarship football. I use to believe that the argument that it would be career suicide for an AD to come in a banish football - I no longer think that way, not with the amount of better D1 AD jobs that exist.

The objection that it would have such a negative impact on enrollment - so suddenly Indiana State's enrollment problem is an athletic problem or better yet a solution to not making things look worse than they really are? Or is it really that bad - because my understand is you cut football you are going to be forced to add two other men's sports so we will go with low budget sports that we already have Women's team for either Swimming, Golf or Soccer. So you add two of those and suddenly you've cut the loss of enrollment in half - still a net loss but not nearly as bad as they are positioning it.
 
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It's the whole landscape man. JD says he's coming back, then all of a sudden he goes portalling because he got tampered with and promised bigger money. It sucks and you can't blame people having had enough of this nonsense.

Also you've got guys like most of us here who don't have a lot of money, but are doing our best to give and raise money only for it not to keep players who said they would stay.
I wonder how much it would cost us to keep him?
 
there will be something out in place to balance the scales a bit probably in the form of player contracts with buyouts and transfer restrictions. It cannot come soon enough!
 

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300k if true means we can't afford anybody but very average players. I don’t believe JD is getting that figure for a minute. More power to him if he is but we're screwed if his value goes that high.
 
What’s weird is if you were operating it like a business? Then you would want some data points to be able to evaluate and justify such a decision. We’ve ignored the data because we’re not operating like a business. What’s even more interesting is a lot of businesses have to pay money to have access to data that helps them make decisions - this data is free and it’s still being ignored.

The objections are somewhat wild to me as well... We've listed in countless threads the number of very prestigious institutions and athletic departments that don't have scholarship football. I use to believe that the argument that it would be career suicide for an AD to come in a banish football - I no longer think that way, not with the amount of better D1 AD jobs that exist.

The objection that it would have such a negative impact on enrollment - so suddenly Indiana State's enrollment problem is an athletic problem or better yet a solution to not making things look worse than they really are? Or is it really that bad - because my understand is you cut football you are going to be forced to add two other men's sports so we will go with low budget sports that we already have Women's team for either Swimming, Golf or Soccer. So you add two of those and suddenly you've cut the loss of enrollment in half - still a net loss but not nearly as bad as they are positioning it.

The objection is ISU should keep football to maintain the enrollment # the FOOTBALL PLAYERs provide? As in the Spring 2025 has 79 players and ISU would be WITHOUT those 79 students if football didn't exist? I must have missed that defense of football...
 
The objection is ISU should keep football to maintain the enrollment # the FOOTBALL PLAYERs provide? As in the Spring 2025 has 79 players and ISU would be WITHOUT those 79 students if football didn't exist? I must have missed that defense of football...

It’s the new narrative of an ever evolving array of “reasons” being nice as to why… Correct. You explained it well + band don’t forget band
 
What’s weird is if you were operating it like a business? Then you would want some data points to be able to evaluate and justify such a decision. We’ve ignored the data because we’re not operating like a business. What’s even more interesting is a lot of businesses have to pay money to have access to data that helps them make decisions - this data is free and it’s still being ignored.

The objections are somewhat wild to me as well... We've listed in countless threads the number of very prestigious institutions and athletic departments that don't have scholarship football. I use to believe that the argument that it would be career suicide for an AD to come in a banish football - I no longer think that way, not with the amount of better D1 AD jobs that exist.

The objection that it would have such a negative impact on enrollment - so suddenly Indiana State's enrollment problem is an athletic problem or better yet a solution to not making things look worse than they really are? Or is it really that bad - because my understand is you cut football you are going to be forced to add two other men's sports so we will go with low budget sports that we already have Women's team for either Swimming, Golf or Soccer. So you add two of those and suddenly you've cut the loss of enrollment in half - still a net loss but not nearly as bad as they are positioning it.

Top shelf post.

I think you could actually now make the argument it should be career suicide if you show you can't take in said data and make the correct business decision. The University hires you to manage the athletics department soup to nuts. Whether we like it or not, the new reality is college sports are semi-professional athletics and each sport has to be viewed as its own cost center. Since the women's side of the house is proportionally protected by Title IX, you can only evaluate and cut from the men's side. This isn't even a tough business decision. You could bring in freshmen from BUS101 at the School of Business and they could come to a decision pretty quickly based on the data.

Also, I'm sorry but I don't buy the negative impact on enrollment. Nobody is chomping at the bit to come to State to attend football games and it isn't in the Top 50 factors for why someone picks State outside of it being a football player or someone that plans on being in the Marching Band. By the way, even the Marching Band thing is a cop out because many non football schools still have them. I remember Wichita State had one because they would play on the court during breaks.

Non FBS schools have to sponsor 14 sports to be eligible for postseason play. I've always assumed we have a waiver because we've been at 13 forever with 5 men's and 8 women's sports. IMO, we gave the Power fuckos autonomy a decade plus ago and they've fucked everything up. Non power fuckos should march back to the table and demand that sponsorship requirement to go away. Lets schools sponsor what they want (remain in Title IX compliance) and spend money how they wish.

Further, you sponsor sports that 1) bring in good students and 2) have the potential to be lifelong donors and supporters. If they won't budge from the 14 number, you cut football and add men's golf and men's tennis. That's 9 scholarships versus 63. Back when I did my analysis on here several years ago I proposed adding rifle. You're in Indiana and people hunt and shoot. I bet those people would be multiple time over donors versus your average football player.

Instead we'll continue to watch this car crash as people keep jumping ship because the new reality is going to push them away from college athletics. All you need to do is spend an hour on X to see coast-to-coast non-power fan sentiment to realize what is going to happen.
 
Keeping football at the non-scholly schools makes sense, because some of the D-III football programs will offer (along with legit prospects) every 3rd rate swingin' dick some minor "grant' money...give them a uni and Viola, they're a college football player. Some programs will have 150 dudes on the team...BUT the players are all dropping in many cases 40-50 grand in tuition to be there. There's no money in it for a public/state school.
 
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I just want to know how much revenue we could bring in if we built condos on the Memorial Coliseum site and rented them out.

It's right down the street from Rose, there's absolutely a demand for high quality housing within a couple blocks of their campus.
 
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