ESB officially announces so another spot open.
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2026-2027 Eligibility Chart
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CardLake49
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Man that sucks.
Harding and Vorst in portal per latest Verbal Commits update.
I think we go with 13. With 5 FR, 15 would be too long of a bench unless 14 and 15 are better than the FR. I doubt that we can get that many quality players and you want to "pay" for the top 9.
Up to 7 open spots with Bruno gone.
No. You need practice bodies, development bodies and there is always "what if." I'd immediately call for Graves firing if they did this because it tells me he cannot manage a program, roster and the associated risks.
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Not really. You can have 15 with walkons. What are you developing for--the portal?
To fucking win ball games.
Sorry. It doesn't work that way. You think a bigger roster will win games? It hasn't helped in he past, unless you can name one.
Then close down the program.
If you think a professional staff cannot identify an extra 2 scholarship athletes versus offering 2 players walk-on spots, what are we even doing here? This is some mental midget math.
We have had some good #13's like Martin, Shetlar and Peterson.
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CardLake49
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LOL he literally said what are you developing for. I just don't understand why folks don't see the value in being great at player development. Believe it or not some dudes will actually stay longer than they otherwise would b/c they know they're getting better. Its the same in the occupation of college hoops as it is in every other industry.
Right. I agree. Development is good. Like we developed Swope, Avila, Kent, Larry and Conwell. Louisville, Texas and St Louis send us their appreciation.
In the good old days we developed players like Marshall and Brown but you sure as hell are not going to do that today when the players are in the open market every year.
@Jason Svoboda you have to remember, Sycamorebacker watched the movie Hoosiers this weekend and was one of only a few on here alive when Milan won the state championship, they both only had 6 players!
Good idea. I would like to know who on here were alive in '54. I know there are several other old codgers on here.@Jason Svoboda you have to remember, Sycamorebacker watched the movie Hoosiers this weekend and was one of only a few on here alive when Milan won the state championship, they both only had 6 players!
I would like to form the Milan club so know you are talking to someone with experience.
If they are like me they are sick of the pushing, travel, and 3 seconds rules being thrown out of the book.
I think Milan had 12 players.
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No, it was in relation to your logic. You said you would rather have 13 scholarship players and 2 walk-ons over 15 scholarship players.
It's bad math. The kind of math that gets you fired from your last college basketball head coach opportunity.
If you don't want to maximize every potential opportunity that is at your disposal as a coach that is now 25-39 at Indiana State and 65-96 overall, then you are not long for this profession.
FIRE. EVERY. BULLET.
I can remember when during timeout, the five players went to the free throw circle. You had a cart the manager roll out to the team with towels in it. Coach would put a note with instructions into the captain’s towel. I can remember when if you were fouled, you shoot it or take the ball out. I could go one but I will stop.
We just have a fundamental disagreement about how much the 14th and 15th player help. And I know that one of them could exceed your expectations. But when we were allowed 13, I don't remember not having enough players, except maybe in practice.
Are 14 and 15 worth 35K and will they stay if they do not see the floor? I guess that may depend on what players we can get.
In the last 2 years, I don't feel like we have brought in more than a few that can really help us.
I just read on an IU related site that they would probably go with 13 and that would free up some money. But, I think they are doing revenue sharing, plus, they can go out and get (it's now) 7 players that are game ready.
You can make fun of my logic all you want but I am a very logical person and I have seen 60 teams at ISU and hundreds at other colleges. I know how many players are required and I can estimate the odds that a player will sit at the end of the bench and develop. And I don't know if redshirting is such a good idea now.
Players 11-15, if everyone else is healthy, is essentially your scout team. I don’t know how paying NIL to guys 14 and 15 would look like without taking away from others that actually see the floor. But a good scout team with scholarship players would benefit everyone. If they leave in the off-season, at least they prepared the others to be more successful. ( i.e Sam Mervis, Nick Hittle)