'23 KS SG Eli Shetlar (Transferred to Drake)

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Which is odd to me because usually the player and coach would discuss that at the beginning of the season. I can't say I put that all on Schertz unless that was discussed and he did it anyway.

I don’t put it on JS either - because as we have discussed at length, I’m not redshirting anyone in this day and age. Absolutely not and it’s nothing personal on that player - you’re not coming into my system to develop on a redshirt to potentially transfer out. Hard no.

If he was game ready he would have played last year and he wouldn’t have redshirted this year if that is indeed the case - I’m sure they’d like people to think that was the plan all along.

Because had he redshirted last year and left us regardless of if JS left or not and ended up at a school like Drake and produced it wouldn’t have been a good look - as a coach, why take the chance?! It’s completely pointless with no guardrails on transfers.

 

[jturner38]

I don’t put it on JS either - because as we have discussed at length, I’m not redshirting anyone in this day and age. Absolutely not and it’s nothing personal on that player - you’re not coming into my system to develop on a redshirt to potentially transfer out. Hard no.

Do you mean transfer later down the line? Transferring after a redshirt year wouldn't really benefit that player and not sure what "better" schools would even call about someone who has never played.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Do you mean transfer later down the line? Transferring after a redshirt year wouldn't really benefit that player and not sure what "better" schools would even call about someone who has never played.

Yeah I just mean transfer in general. I don’t want to aid the development of a player who can freely leave my system. It wasn’t that way before so you had some incentive by redshirting a player and then they got to play within our system eventually.

 

[bluestreak]

Don't think he has played at all this year. Not listed in the cumulative stats.

 

[jturner38]

Yeah I just mean transfer in general. I don’t want to aid the development of a player who can freely leave my system. It wasn’t that way before so you had some incentive by redshirting a player and then they got to play within our system eventually.

I get it. I don't know if I would look at it that way because either way you slice it any player can leave at anytime. To me it's you either with us or you aren't. Still need players to develop and as some players are finding out the grass isn't always greener on the other side. We have seen a few players leave and come back to their respective schools (Montgomery for Bradley and Sparks for Ball State) or you become a role player (Tyson Belmont to UNC and Born UNI to Colorado State) or maybe they do become successful moving up (Gillespie Belmont to Maryland and DeVries Drake to WVU). That's a risk players have to take. But as you said redshirting back then served a purpose.

 

[treeman]

This brings up the question. Should the NCAA get rid of redshirts?

I think redshirting is naturally going away for reasons discussed above. But with the current climate you have to ask "why redshirt anybody?".

It just seems like a true redshirt is an archaic practice at this point.

 

[jturner38]

This brings up the question. Should the NCAA get rid of redshirts?

I think redshirting is naturally going away for reasons discussed above. But with the current climate you have to ask "why redshirt anybody?".

It just seems like a true redshirt is an archaic practice at this point.

The counter argument to that though if freshman never get in should they lose a year of eligibility because of it?

 

[treeman]

The counter argument to that though if freshman never get in should they lose a year of eligibility because of it?

What about the sophomore, junior, or senior that never get in?

It would be interesting as it would probably benefit mid-majors big time. We would be treated as a farm system, but some talented kids would go mid-major for a couple of years before playing time opens up somewhere at a P4.

It's just interesting to think about

 

[jturner38]

What about the sophomore, junior, or senior that never get in?

It would be interesting as it would probably benefit mid-majors big time. We would be treated as a farm system, but some talented kids would go mid-major for a couple of years before playing time opens up somewhere at a P4.

It's just interesting to think about

I think it depends. If you didn't play Freshman AND you aren't playing by your sophomore year, not even spot minutes, then I would to question are you good enough?

Definitely interesting things when you start doing a deep dive. But I would think in the exit interviews Coaches would give players those facts before they go into the portal.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

I get it. I don't know if I would look at it that way because either way you slice it any player can leave at anytime. To me it's you either with us or you aren't. Still need players to develop and as some players are finding out the grass isn't always greener on the other side. We have seen a few players leave and come back to their respective schools (Montgomery for Bradley and Sparks for Ball State) or you become a role player (Tyson Belmont to UNC and Born UNI to Colorado State) or maybe they do become successful moving up (Gillespie Belmont to Maryland and DeVries Drake to WVU). That's a risk players have to take. But as you said redshirting back then served a purpose.

Yeah and it still serves a purpose but the purpose is to benefit the player more than the program… I’m probably a little old school on this - I’ve said it before, John McNichols told us when we signed to run track at Indiana State. If it’s for something other than a very personal reason I will not grant you your release thus forcing you to sit out a year. I view this very much in the same light.

Why would you give a kid a year to develop without any guarantees? It serves no purpose. You shouldn’t handcuff yourself as a coach because you have a kid that wants to come here and develop - then get better so you are viable or go to prep school and get better the end. Until you have transfer rules or some sort of loyalty what good does redshirting a player do you? Even if they come back the next year - you could very easily make the argument that the redshirt year help the development therefore they made themselves more marketable sooner. Aid in that marketability for the greater good of the player? Not in this environment.

 

[jturner38]

Yeah and it still serves a purpose but the purpose is to benefit the player more than the program… I’m probably a little old school on this - I’ve said it before, John McNichols told us when we signed to run track at Indiana State. If it’s for something other than a very personal reason I will not grant you your release thus forcing you to sit out a year. I view this very much in the same light.

Why would you give a kid a year to develop without any guarantees? It serves no purpose. You shouldn’t handcuff yourself as a coach because you have a kid that wants to come here and develop - then get better so you are viable or go to prep school and get better the end. Until you have transfer rules or some sort of loyalty what good does redshirting a player do you? Even if they come back the next year - you could very easily make the argument that the redshirt year help the development therefore they made themselves more marketable sooner. Aid in that marketability for the greater good of the player? Not in this environment.

I mean in the case of redshirting you will get at least 1 year of production their Redshirt sophomore year if they are good or somewhat good. Maybe we get them another year after that. In this day and age you don't always know what the intentions are or who they have an in their ear. You already have to re-recruit your own players. Graves, if I remember correctly asking guys for 2-3 year commitments but where's the guarantee there? If they are just looking at how much money they can make then obviously this isn't the place. If they want to build a solid college career in a family environment and be supported by the community and have the Hulman Center rocking then here's what it looks like. Show them clips of the 23/24 crowds. Show them clips of Julian Larry from Freshman year and each year how hard work pays off just they can visually see what staying here looks like from a development perspective. You could even show them how many professionals have come from Indiana State. I think you could say if we are developing players then we could replace and develop next man up. I think the open transfer portal took out any guarantees. The new guarantee is money basically. So with that being said while I agree with you that in today's landscape is benefitting the players and they become more marketable, I don't think you want to handicap yourself either which I don't think we are doing that. The crazy thing is what's happening could be very different 3 years from now. @Jason Svoboda mentioned in a thread that the money is going to run out so we will see how the landscape shifts again when that happens.

 

[blueblazer]

Nah, he could have stayed.

He is a student-professional athlete that made his own decision.

I believe Daddy, a coach himself, was involved