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So, the Pac 12 has become the new MWC. Wish someone would take the Dakota schools and others set to jump ship so we can finally be folded into a unified OVC. If the MAC begins fighting to maintain its existence, it may raid some MVC members - Illinois State, maybe NIU. The MVC itself is destined to die after becoming this bizarre hodgepodge of different schools in different sports.
 

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The PAC-6 would be best off just inviting the rest of the MWC into their conference and having a reverse merger, so that they don't have to pay any penalties (WSU and ORSU) or exit fees (the new 4). They think they can get $10M a year (per team) for TV just like the old PAC thought they could get $50M a year (per team). Breaking: It didn't happen and that's why the PAC is where it is today.

The current MWC gets $4M a year (per team), so you would think that OSU and WSU would only increase that value. Not sure how adding AAC schools from Texas, potentially Memphis, Tulane, and South Florida really helps. Yeah you might get more money, but will it really be enough to justify the insane amount of travel? AAC schools also already get $7M per year, so will any of them realistically jump anyways, especially since the Pac still doesn't actually have a TV deal?
 
bent20 said:
So, the Pac 12 has become the new MWC. Wish someone would take the Dakota schools and others set to jump ship so we can finally be folded into a unified OVC. If the MAC begins fighting to maintain its existence, it may raid some MVC members - Illinois State, maybe NIU. The MVC itself is destined to die after becoming this bizarre hodgepodge of different schools in different sports.
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I agree that the MVC is a mess, but I'm not sure it will collapse anytime soon. It definitely might become considerably weaker over time and backfill with more schools from the HL, Summit, OVC, and ASUN that have minimal fan support.

Now the MVFC on the other hand could get unstable. 4 MVC schools (if ILST leaves), plus 2 UXD's, and YSU doesn't scream stability.

I think the next league to completely collapse will either be the Summit League or the WAC. Might see some sort of merger between the two at some point, especially if the PAC and MWC do not ultimately merge. The only way those leagues will survive long term is if they can find more D2 schools that want to make the jump.

Potential scenarios if the MWC remains a conference:
1) MWC raids NDSU and SDSU. (SL down to 7)
2) MWC raids MT and MT ST, and then Big Sky raids S Utah and UT Tech (WAC down to 5).
 
bent20 said:
So, the Pac 12 has become the new MWC. Wish someone would take the Dakota schools and others set to jump ship so we can finally be folded into a unified OVC. If the MAC begins fighting to maintain its existence, it may raid some MVC members - Illinois State, maybe NIU. The MVC itself is destined to die after becoming this bizarre hodgepodge of different schools in different sports.
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Why? Virtually EVERY Div I conference has members competing in other conferences - the MVC is no more bizarre than the others...
 
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4Q_iu said:
Why? Virtually EVERY Div I conference has members competing in other conferences - the MVC is no more bizarre than the others...
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Conferences with more core members seem to have a stronger unified vision for the future and more influence, but perhaps I'm just hoping other schools that have a better idea of what they're doing bring us along for the ride.
 
bent20 said:
Conferences with more core members seem to have a stronger unified vision for the future and more influence, but perhaps I'm just hoping other schools that have a better idea of what they're doing bring us along for the ride.
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In retrospect, maybe the Valley should have simply starting sanctioning Div I-AA football in 1986 INSTEAD of "shutting down" MVC football; that was likely a discussion point but with ~half the conference making 'bigger football decisions' (W. Texas St moves to Div II, Drake drops it but returns as Div III, Wichita St plays a season as an independent and then drops football...

Tulsa was the only MVC school who continued playing Div I-A ball, as an independent until they left the Valley completely to join the "old" WAC

Perhaps if the MVC Commissioner (at that time, Jim Haney) had been a former football player, coach vice a former college MBB player, coach; the MVC would have continued sanctioning football.

Football has driven virtually every conference decision since the $ec demanded a playoff, c. 1998; can't really say that the overall picture of the college athletic landscape as been IMPROVED b/c of the playoff 'system'
 

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4Q_iu said:
Previous rumor(s) are bubbling to the top...

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/41291626/air-force-emerges-serious-target-aac

Air Force still targeted by AAC... full membership vice affiliated like West Point and Annapolis
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Makes sense and it gets the service academies all into the same league. A couple of years ago Colorado St and Air Force nearly ended up in the AAC until the boosters from both schools made a bunch of noise. Now that CSU is not going to be in the MWC I doubt there would be much backlash.
 
So an edit to the current MWC situation.

Current Members:

Air Force --> AAC?
Wyoming
New Mexico --> AAC with AFA?
Utah St
UNLV --> PAC or AAC?
Nevada
San Jose St
*Hawaii

Potential Targets:

New Mexico State
UTEP
ND State
SD State
Montana
Montana St
Idaho
Sacramento St
Texas St
Sam Houston St
 
Sycamorefan96 said:
Makes sense and it gets the service academies all into the same league. A couple of years ago Colorado St and Air Force nearly ended up in the AAC until the boosters from both schools made a bunch of noise. Now that CSU is not going to be in the MWC I doubt there would be much backlash.
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No, it's full membership for the Air Force Academy, while West Point (Army) and Annapolis (Navy) are merely football-affiliate members of the AAC. Neither are planning a move from the Patriot League and both have teams playing in OTHER leagues as well...

Quite the Alphabet Soup of Conferences...

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4Q_iu said:
No, it's full membership for the Air Force Academy, while West Point (Army) and Annapolis (Navy) are merely football-affiliate members of the AAC. Neither are planning a move from the Patriot League and both have teams playing in OTHER leagues as well...

Quite the Alphabet Soup of Conferences...

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Yeah, but we both know that football drives the bus when it comes to television money, and having the three service academies for football would be great for the AAC.
 

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I am scratching my head to believe The ACC would be interested in Air Force and UNLV? They would make a much better fit in the new Pac12.
 
Bobbyk60 said:
I am scratching my head to believe The ACC would be interested in Air Force and UNLV? They would make a much better fit in the new Pac12.
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You’re thinking from geography standpoint I’m assuming? The powers at be have showed that geography is no longer a priority.
 
Bobbyk60 said:
I am scratching my head to believe The ACC would be interested in Air Force and UNLV? They would make a much better fit in the new Pac12.
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Sounds like you're confusing the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), who isn't interested in USAFA & UNLV with The American Athletic Conference (AAC), who IS interested in both schools.
 

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jturner38 said:
Well I was wrong. I confused UTSA with UTA, so many alphabets. So Arlington probably is still on the table.
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The Roadrunners (UTSA) are way, WAY TOO proud of their football program to join the MVC.

The Mavericks (UTA) made the wise, conscious decision to shutter their football program in 1985 due to low attendance and revenue issues
 
jturner38 said:
Well I was wrong. I confused UTSA with UTA, so many alphabets. So Arlington probably is still on the table.
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Adding any Texas school would be a mistake by the Valley. At our level (non power, non football conference) they wouldn't add any kind of value to our already poor TV deal. They'd just be another mouth to feed and a travel burden.The only reason they were under consideration is because some of the university presidents think that they might be able to recruit more students out of the Dallas / Ft Worth metro if their teams are playing there on a regular basis. Basically the same reason the conference added Loyola and later UIC to replace them.
 
4Q_iu said:
The Roadrunners (UTSA) are way, WAY TOO proud of their football program to join the MVC.

The Mavericks (UTA) made the wise, conscious decision to shutter their football program in 1985 due to low attendance and revenue issues
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You're joking right? UTSA went from no football to the American in 10 years, and are under consideration for the new Pac 12. Meanwhile UTA is a no body that was about to get kicked out of the Sun Belt and is now stuck in a conference that's about to collapse.
 
Sycamorefan96 said:
You're joking right? UTSA went from no football to the American in 10 years, and are under consideration for the new Pac 12. Meanwhile UTA is a no body that was about to get kicked out of the Sun Belt and is now stuck in a conference that's about to collapse.
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Good grief - READ the posts, I replied to jturner38's admission of their confusion between UTA and UTSA. Even WITHOUT football, UTSA would not deign to CONSIDER joining the MVC and it's HIGHLY doubtful that the MVC would EVER want UTSA.

Stop huffing diesel
 
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