Chances of the FCS Playoffs?

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Hooper said:
I think Teague might actually be driving over to Terre Haute from Indy right now to meet at least with Golden. Golden says he’s in-transit. Not sure if he meant on his way to Haute or on his way back home.

Also, the conference reps are required to leave the room or to otherwise not participate when a team from their conference is being discussed.
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Well, the conference reps abstaining from voting on their own conference doesn’t fit my hate/revenge barratice, so how about the following for revenge against the Southland:

Montana State whips Incarnate Word (or NDSU if MST misses)
UNI to destroy Lamar
San Diego or E.Wash to eviscerate Nichols.

How about an NDSU and UNI final. Go MVFC!

And Indiana State goes undefeated next year so it will be impossible for them to screw us!

Cheers!
 

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Ktulu said:
Well, the conference reps abstaining from voting on their own conference doesn’t fit my hate/revenge barratice, so how about the following for revenge against the Southland:

Montana State whips Incarnate Word (or NDSU if MST misses)
UNI to destroy Lamar
San Diego or E.Wash to eviscerate Nichols.

How about an NDSU and UNI final. Go MVFC!

And Indiana State goes undefeated next year so it will be impossible for them to screw us!

Cheers!
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HEY! Ease up. I didnt so anything. Its NichoLLs St.

I’m Nichols
 
meistro said:
This is where I am on this. We didn’t win a game last year and needed a win. I have no problem scheduling them this past year. Now, going forward is a different issue. If we win the Missouri State or SDS game we’re probably in. Although, it’s obvious the committee didn’t regard the mvcf as highly this year.
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A win over any of the 4 losses and I believe we are in. Quincy--we needed a win at all costs. We needed them--we no longer need them, and I hope it stays that way.
 
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Here’s a question to ponder. What if our Quincy win was a win over Butler Valpo ir Drake instead. IMO Quincy is a better win because they have 36 scholarships or however many
 
I will be honest, I’m not getting any better with this! We got totally bent over. The committee chair’s remarks to Golden were weak.

I don’t think I will get over this until next season when we leave no doubt. Expectations will be through the roof next season and I think the team will meet and exceed those expectations. They will certainly be playing with a chip on their shoulders.

But I’m still pissed...
 

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niklz62 said:
Here’s a question to ponder. What if our Quincy win was a win over Butler Valpo ir Drake instead. IMO Quincy is a better win because they have 36 scholarships or however many
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I think it is well known that PFL teams give academics in lieu. It's no different from the Ivys so to answer your question, if we had scheduled a PFL team and won them, we're in the playoffs.
 
I would like to express my admiration and respect to what your program achieved in one year. 0 wins to 7 wins. You guys should have documented that to have your own Netflix show. I dislike two programs in the MVFC Illinois State and Univeristy of South Dakota. Everything else is good. I did a little comparison on our board. So you were picked 10th and ended up 3rd. Holy shit.

Being in the top half of the MVFC is an honor and is Freaking Hard to achieve with our State Dakota buddies getting all 70000 people that live up there going to every game and giving every dollar. It's all they have after all. No major cities or anything of substance. By Default people root for the best thing that one could root for in an American Siberia. Also, you guys should be over the moon with your pride........you earned it.
 
With regards to not getting into the playoffs it was tough. Committee could have elected just the two. MVFC was just not itself this year.

ISUs chances got diminished by lack of SOS and no signature win. Then there was the head to head with UNI...........so......yeah.

If I was a Sycamores fan or on the football roster I would be pumped, y'all are contenders no more suffering from shitty sophomoric comments about........fill in the blank. I wish you the best. I visited you a couple years ago had to start a new account. Probably talk again when in season. Chin up Sycs'
 

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Also, no more bullshit games. Not picking on you .... Illinois State played an NAIA for Chr*sts sake. Missouri State played a D-II in Lincoln. Lazy A.D.s
get this garbage off your schedule. You schedule Valpo instead of Quincy (Quincy is a better teem but...)......Oh right Y-Town was doing the Pioneer League tour this year......LOL. Bo just needs to pack up his car in the night and head anywhere....
 
Valley_Dweller said:
With regards to not getting into the playoffs it was tough. Committee could have elected just the two. MVFC was just not itself this year.

ISUs chances got diminished by lack of SOS and no signature win. Then there was the head to head with UNI...........so......yeah.

If I was a Sycamores fan or on the football roster I would be pumped, y'all are contenders no more suffering from shitty sophomoric comments about........fill in the blank. I wish you the best. I visited you a couple years ago had to start a new account. Probably talk again when in season. Chin up Sycs'
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Lets unpack this...

Clearly the MVFC was not itself - had they been then we would have gotten in.

You don't need a signature win when you finish the season on a 5 game win streak. What happened was unexplainable and we got screwed. You can come up with reasons like "no signature win", "the MVC is down" and "you scheduled an elementary school" all you want. I'm not buying any of that. We got screwed - leave it at that.

We're pumped about the season - thanks for giving us permission to enjoy what we have. As for the "suffering from shitty comments about ______" I don't think any outside noise or commentary phases most around Sycamore Nation. Our athletic teams have visited many peaks and valleys over the years and will likely continue here at Indiana State because of forces beyond our control.

In closing - I'm sure South Dakota is a fine place. I've never been but it's on the list of states I'd love to to go hunting in one of these days.
 
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SycamoreStateofMind said:
Lets unpack this...

Clearly the MVFC was not itself - had they been then we would have gotten in.

You don't need a signature win when you finish the season on a 5 game win streak. What happened was unexplainable and we got screwed. You can come up with reasons like "no signature win", "the MVC is down" and "you scheduled an elementary school" all you want. I'm not buying any of that. We got screwed - leave it at that.
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This. Either the MVFC is the top rated conference that both the Massey and Sagarin say they are and EVERY MVFC win is a "signature" win or the MVFC is a dominant conference narrative is a load of horseshit and all of the metrics are flawed. It can be one or the other... they're mutually exclusive.

Here is what I know just from looking at our last place team, who we happened to beat. Southern Illinois (2-9, 1-7) beat 4th place OVC Murray State (5-6, 5-3) 49-10 at their place and then lost to playoff bound SEMO (8-3, 6-2) 48-44 on a SEMO score with 0:25 left to play. Outside of the Big Sky and CAA, they'd likely run right fucking through pretty much any other conference. They'd have finished top 3 in the OVC and they basically down this year playing a ton of underclassmen (had like 10 seniors if I recall from our game) and had injuries to boot. We have a MVFC/Big Sky conference challenge and the Valley won 5-3 in a "down" year.

So either the MVFC is the SEC of FCS or we've all taken too many tokes off of the MVFC peace pipe.

According to Massey, we finished as the #16 rated team with the #24 rank SOS. Other Valley teams in the Top 20 were NDSU #1, SDSU #2, UNI #11, Illinois State #15. Outside, WIU #22, USD #29, YSU #35, MSU #45 and SIU was the worst at #52. According to Sagarin, we were #138 overall in all of Division 1 with only 22 FCS schools ahead of us, and again, with a quarter being of our conference mates. So again, what are we doing here?

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/fcs/ratings
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
 
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SycamoreStateofMind said:
Lets unpack this...

You don't need a signature win when you finish the season on a 5 game win streak. What happened was unexplainable and we got screwed. You can come up with reasons like "no signature win", "the MVC is down" and "you scheduled an elementary school" all you want. I'm not buying any of that.
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It's explainable, and this guy explains it here....and this was before our win against WIU.

https://herosports.com/fcs/football-mvfc-playoff-bids-2018-bzbz

And IMO, our Fairy Tale 3rd place finish from a forecasted DEAD LAST finish didn't help our cause, or the MVFC. Not to diminish our season, but to outsiders it looks like the MVFC was down...and it probably was.

https://valley-football.org/news/20...abbed-as-favorite-to-win-2018-mvfc-title.aspx
 
Gotta Hav said:
It's explainable, and this guy explains it here....and this was before our win against WIU.

https://herosports.com/fcs/football-mvfc-playoff-bids-2018-bzbz

And IMO, our Fairy Tale 3rd place finish from a forecasted DEAD LAST finish didn't help our cause, or the MVFC. Not to diminish our season, but to outsiders it looks like the MVFC was down...and it probably was.

https://valley-football.org/news/20...abbed-as-favorite-to-win-2018-mvfc-title.aspx
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The first link you sent me was literally 4 paragraphs of effortless scoreboard watching. I don't even follow college football outside of Indiana State and a few other elite D1 programs and I could have written that article. That didn't explain shit to anyone about anything.

If the day that "forecasted" predictions have entered into the minds of people deciding the fate of college athletics no matter the sport then I'm good with not watching or donating or buying season tickets to any college athletic event ever again. You are not going to sit here and tell me that us being picked to be finish last factored into us not being selected... If by some act of God that was the case then D1 AA football is the biggest farce known to man.

Your second link simply provides once-again further evidence that pre-season polls DO NOT MATTER. Which shouldn't come as a shock to anyone but apparently it's not just a shock the pre-season polls are now manipulating teams ability to get to the post season...

If you're going to ignore the fact that we won our last 5 games fine. Then your probably going to ignore the fact that 3 of those 5 wins came on the road. Your also going to probably ignore the fact that one of them came against a ranked IL State team #22 at the time - once as high as #7 I believe. When it comes down to it they won on the road, they won in OT, they won in tough weather conditions, they won in blowout fashion, they won with two of their best players out for the year - throw out all the metrics and all the articles. The Sycamores passed all the tests and they got screwed. It's not that hard to see that.

You wouldn't think in a conference where a team can basically be the Alabama of this level of football, in a conference where a basketball team can go on an improbable run to the Final Four in Loyola and a National Championship in Indiana State that you would have to explain such things - sometimes teams are just a special group of guys and they got it. Most of the time it's pretty easy to separate the pretenders from the contenders at this level.
 
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I kind of look at the selection committee as a group who need to be experts in the teams in their conference. I want them to have the teams they are going to try to get in and know everything about them. if they have to get Luke Martin's notes as rebuttals as to why they should be in then they need to do that.
 
On a related, but slightly different note, I am very proud of the coaches and the players. So many of them (all of them as far as I can tell) have handled this disappointing news in an incredibly mature, dignified way. Coach Mallory, his staff and the players continue to represent Indiana State in a first class manner.
 
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