Charlie Kirk

[SycamoreBlue3209]

I'm shook...I wish I could unsee it.

I’m with you. Obviously when you hear someone is shot, you hope for the best. When that video was sent to me, it was quite clear, it was over.

So sad for a democracy and just the human race in general, but more so for his wife, two kids, family, and friends.
May God bless his family and Charlie’s voice to continue on.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Is there an opportunity here to move back toward the middle politically? To agree there are common sense solutions to preventing violence - number one being to do a better job of providing and funding mental healthcare before we even get to the gun debate. The guy in NC shouldn't have even been out on the street but even now NC and other states are looking at steep cuts to federal funding for mental healthcare. Where are people like him supposed to be sent? The prisons aren't equipped to deal with them. And sending the National Guard into every city isn't going to prevent some nut from randomly stabbing or shooting people. What happened to Charlie Kirk is absolutely terrible, but no, I don't agree with him that "It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”. These deaths are horrible. They should be mourned. They should not be politicized. Something should be done about it. Something sensible that doesn't involve further division and amplifying hate and misunderstanding. Tired of everyone making the other side the bogeyman.

That statement being thrown in his face is akin to rape sympathizers saying the girl asked for it based on flirting or what she was wearing. The number of liberals that have tossed that quote up shows just how shallow their thought processes and poor their rational and logical thinking skills are.

If people actually thought through that statement, he obviously was talking about the gun deaths that would result from the enforcement of said right. He's not talking about senseless murders and gun crime. He was talking about the defense of the right and anyone that can can spend 30 fucking minutes going through Congress website to actually learn about it. I'd put my entire net worth that the overwhelming majority of folks (especially young liberals) that talk about 2A couldn't define it and talk about it meaningfully in any capacity.

As someone that considers himself socially liberal and fiscally conservative, watching liberals use kindergarten level logic trying to handwave his death away all the way to posting dances celebrating him dying, they pushed me solidly right yesterday. The only conclusion I can take away after yesterday is that a significant portion of the left suffers from either mental retardation (not the slur, talking extreme lack of brain and cognitive development due to whatever causation) to extreme mental illness. Unless, we just want to state these people are inherently evil?

Charlie Kirk was known for engaging in respectful Socratic dialogue with people that vehemently disagree with his political views, which is something that is desperately needed today as people get locked into their social media echo chambers that reinforce their biases. There are tens if not hundreds of clips of him saying that violence happens when both sides refuse to talk even if it is just to agree to disagree. The fact that he was assassinated during one of these events is an attack on the medium itself and an admission by the left that they don't care to engage in dialogue, but prefer to brute force their views on the world. This is what is causing societal fatigue across various topics even for their (former) supporters.

 

[bent20]

I actually read it a couple times… Before posting.

No reason to have a back-and-forth on it tonight though if you don’t think you did that’s fine.

I figured by posting it politics would be brought up at some point by someone anyway - how can you not it’s human nature and it’s literally what Charlie was out doing debating the issues and growing his movement.

Hopefully, nothing else happens to anyone else… I wouldn’t rule out this being a professional hit even perhaps by a foreign adversary - I think it’s easy to assume it’s a Liberal attack on a Conservative. Charlie had deep held international opinions as well - so I’d say anything is possible especially since they don’t have the shooter yet. I’m not so quick to jump on the most obvious conclusion… If it was just a conservative Trump haiting Liberal why only take out Charlie when you’ve got a huge crowd of conservatives at your mercy?

Have a good night all.

That statement being thrown in his face is akin to rape sympathizers saying the girl asked for it based on flirting or what she was wearing. The number of liberals that have tossed that quote up shows just how shallow their thought processes and poor their rational and logical thinking skills are.

If people actually thought through that statement, he obviously was talking about the gun deaths that would result from the enforcement of said right. He's not talking about senseless murders and gun crime. He was talking about the defense of the right and anyone that can can spend 30 fucking minutes going through Congress website to actually learn about it. I'd put my entire net worth that the overwhelming majority of folks (especially young liberals) that talk about 2A couldn't define it and talk about it meaningfully in any capacity.

As someone that considers himself socially liberal and fiscally conservative, watching liberals use kindergarten level logic trying to handwave his death away all the way to posting dances celebrating him dying, they pushed me solidly right yesterday. The only conclusion I can take away after yesterday is that a significant portion of the left suffers from either mental retardation (not the slur, talking extreme lack of brain and cognitive development due to whatever causation) to extreme mental illness. Unless, we just want to state these people are inherently evil?

Charlie Kirk was known for engaging in respectful Socratic dialogue with people that vehemently disagree with his political views, which is something that is desperately needed today as people get locked into their social media echo chambers that reinforce their biases. There are tens if not hundreds of clips of him saying that violence happens when both sides refuse to talk even if it is just to agree to disagree. The fact that he was assassinated during one of these events is an attack on the medium itself and an admission by the left that they don't care to engage in dialogue, but prefer to brute force their views on the world. This is what is causing societal fatigue across various topics even for their (former) supporters.

I used the quote to disagree with his logic, not to throw it in his face, suggested talking about finding a common ground solution. I don't think anything about my post was really all that awful. It was an attempt to have a discussion. You guys don't want that though. Fair enough.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

I used the quote to disagree with his logic, not to throw it in his face, suggested talking about finding a common ground solution. I don't think anything about my post was really all that awful. It was an attempt to have a discussion. You guys don't want that though. Fair enough.

No no no I can’t speak for Jason but I can speak for me. I welcome conversation - it’s probably not easily had in this platform ever let alone the current atmosphere. But I understand that you were trying to maybe find a common ground and we should in this moment - I’m just not sure that was the way. It was way more political than you are willing to accept.

Bent - while you were not trying to “throw it in his face” glad to give you the benefit of the doubt. The problem is a lot of liberals that were celebrating his demise were using the same quote you referenced… So it’s hard to position yourself in a different space right or wrong. Quite frankly, especially for someone like Jason who at one point considered himself Liberal I’m glad he took that on and not me. Because I read it - had the same sentiment he just responded to it more eloquently than I would have.

Bent I’d welcome a conversation with you… Let’s do it at some point on here. Let’s just give it a little time man. You okay with that? Let’s let this thing sort itself out and let’s the emotion air out a bit - think that was your own suggestion to me in fact.

 

[bent20]

No no no I can’t speak for Jason but I can speak for me. I welcome conversation - it’s probably not easily had in this platform ever let alone the current atmosphere. But I understand that you were trying to maybe find a common ground and we should in this moment - I’m just not sure that was the way. It was way more political than you are willing to accept.

Bent - while you were not trying to “throw it in his face” glad to give you the benefit of the doubt. The problem is a lot of liberals that were celebrating his demise were using the same quote you referenced… So it’s hard to position yourself in a different space right or wrong. Quite frankly, especially for someone like Jason who at one point considered himself Liberal I’m glad he took that on and not me. Because I read it - had the same sentiment he just responded to it more eloquently than I would have.

Bent I’d welcome a conversation with you… Let’s do it at some point on here. Let’s just give it a little time man. You okay with that? Let’s let this thing sort itself out and let’s the emotion air out a bit - think that was your own suggestion to me in fact.

I genuinely am not looking to get into it with anyone here. My post, I mean this sincerely, was not intended to provoke anger but discussion.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

I genuinely am not looking to get into it with anyone here. My post, I mean this sincerely, was not intended to provoke anger but discussion.

I wasn’t angered by it and am not to this point. Like I said, I think you were trying to find common ground. I think that time can come - hopefully and even if we can’t find common ground maybe we can just agree to disagree and walk away in a good spot.

I can actually say given you and I have spared on many different topics over the years - I’m confident we will probably never agree on many things but we can always walk away knowing it wasn’t personal. That matters a lot - especially now!

I’m just not going to humor your initial post right now because I honestly think it’s not the time or the place to unpack political issues. I think discussion needs to continue but probably not right now Bent. If people in general can’t find it within themselves to self reflect and go…

Man I love my kids more than anything in the world and would protect them to the core and my neighbor while I don’t agree with him on anything is a good person and a family man and my co-worker identifies as something I don’t support but they probably good people. Like that is probably where the common ground is. The party that I happen to align with happens to be the party of understanding and acceptance. I’m not sure where the Liberals went wrong with this - but they’ve lost the middle by a lot.

 

[4Q_iu]

I wasn’t angered by it and am not to this point. Like I said, I think you were trying to find common ground. I think that time can come - hopefully and even if we can’t find common ground maybe we can just agree to disagree and walk away in a good spot.

I can actually say given you and I have spared on many different topics over the years - I’m confident we will probably never agree on many things but we can always walk away knowing it wasn’t personal. That matters a lot - especially now!

I’m just not going to humor your initial post right now because I honestly think it’s not the time or the place to unpack political issues. I think discussion needs to continue but probably not right now Bent. If people in general can’t find it within themselves to self reflect and go…

Man I love my kids more than anything in the world and would protect them to the core and my neighbor while I don’t agree with him on anything is a good person and a family man and my co-worker identifies as something I don’t support but they probably good people. Like that is probably where the common ground is. The party that I happen to align with happens to be the party of understanding and acceptance. I’m not sure where the Liberals went wrong with this - but they’ve lost the middle by a lot.

I find neither current major party to be a "party of understanding and acceptance," and therein lies the issue with the political landscape across the country today - BOTH parties are guilty of the same sh*t.

I've listened to many a GOPer in the last two days lionize Kirk; speak of his love for everyone and then immediately call for the death of the shooter.

Not ONE GOPer mentioned the murdered (assassinated?) Minnesota Senator and her spouse in their descriptions of "attacks" on politicians, all of them had the same list of incidents.

IF the politicos want to dial down the rhetoric, the hate speech, etc - BOTH parties have to STOP stoking their base.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

I find neither current major party to be a "party of understanding and acceptance," and therein lies the issue with the political landscape across the country today - BOTH parties are guilty of the same sh*t.

I've listened to many a GOPer in the last two days lionize Kirk; speak of his love for everyone and then immediately call for the death of the shooter.

Not ONE GOPer mentioned the murdered (assassinated?) Minnesota Senator and her spouse in their descriptions of "attacks" on politicians, all of them had the same list of incidents.

IF the politicos want to dial down the rhetoric, the hate speech, etc - BOTH parties have to STOP stoking their base.

I agree.

 

[sycamorebacker]

I find neither current major party to be a "party of understanding and acceptance," and therein lies the issue with the political landscape across the country today - BOTH parties are guilty of the same sh*t.

I've listened to many a GOPer in the last two days lionize Kirk; speak of his love for everyone and then immediately call for the death of the shooter.

Not ONE GOPer mentioned the murdered (assassinated?) Minnesota Senator and her spouse in their descriptions of "attacks" on politicians, all of them had the same list of incidents.

IF the politicos want to dial down the rhetoric, the hate speech, etc - BOTH parties have to STOP stoking their base.

How many times has Kamala been called a Nazi, homophobe, racist, sexist, fascist? That is every minute of every day for Trump.
Did you forget Trump was shot, impeached twice, prosecuted? They tried to take him off the ballot and put him in jail. If he was that bad they wouldn't have to make up all the lies about him, would they.
And now the DNC is using activist judges to stop every decision made. Corruption runs deep in the DNC.
And yes BLM, antifa and other protesters are very violent. The Capitol poliice even beat a lady to death with a club on Jan 6th.

 

[sycamorebacker]

I can accept different opions. I cannot tolerate TDS and putting any blame for violence on the right. Conservatives are generally sheep.
5 min watching msnbc or the view show the difference.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Apparently they think they now have the shooter... Wild.

 

[RunSyc]

Apparently they think they now have the shooter... Wild.

Prayed this would happen today, not for vengeance, but for resolution. This has been an emotional rollercoaster for me, can't imagine what it's like for his family & friends.

 

[4Q_iu]

How many times has Kamala been called a Nazi, homophobe, racist, sexist, fascist? That is every minute of every day for Trump.
Did you forget Trump was shot, impeached twice, prosecuted? They tried to take him off the ballot and put him in jail. If he was that bad they wouldn't have to make up all the lies about him, would they.
And now the DNC is using activist judges to stop every decision made. Corruption runs deep in the DNC.
And yes BLM, antifa and other protesters are very violent. The Capitol poliice even beat a lady to death with a club on Jan 6th.

Harris has been called a VAST number of things, as have MOST politicians -- the current President is not the first, nor the last politician to be called names.

Andrew Johnson was impeached; Bill Clinton was impeached; Dick Nixon resigned because he was GOING to be impeached AND convicted.

Both parties view "activist" judges in their OWN lens... i.e. any GOP appointed judge is an activist judge to a DEM. any DEM appointed judge is an activist judge to a GOPer

and yes the 3%, Oath Keepers, KKK, Proud Boys are very violent. Hundreds of rioters/protesters/insurrectionists? beat dozens and dozens of LEOs with clubs, flag poles, bear spray on Jan 6th.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

This is from a fellow Bitcoin buddy of mine here in Vegas. Worth the 7 minute watch regardless of what side of the aisle you sit.

HODL

 

[4Q_iu]

How many times has Kamala been called a Nazi, homophobe, racist, sexist, fascist? That is every minute of every day for Trump.
Did you forget Trump was shot, impeached twice, prosecuted? They tried to take him off the ballot and put him in jail. If he was that bad they wouldn't have to make up all the lies about him, would they.
And now the DNC is using activist judges to stop every decision made. Corruption runs deep in the DNC.
And yes BLM, antifa and other protesters are very violent. The Capitol poliice even beat a lady to death with a club on Jan 6th.

List of Jan 6 deaths, causation -- are you thinking of Babbitt or Boyland? List of Fascist Characteristics

 

[CoachShipp]

Celebrating the dudes death is inexcusable. So were Kirk's comments on the attack on Paul Pelosi...spreading the easily debunked claim that rather than an assault by a conspiracy fueled conservative, it was the result of a gay love dispute. Kirk also said that some "amazing patriot" on the right could "become a hero" if they were to bail the attacker out of jail. Equally heinous were jokes and false narratives about the attack/gay lovers stories about the matter from conservatives Greg Gutfeld, Donald Trump, Jr, Marjorie Taylor Greene, etc. I don't chalk that up to mental retardation from conservatives. BOTH incidents are despicable and neither one of them deserved what happened to them......neither did the Minnesota public official, her husband and her dog deserve to be executed by a conservative with an extensive hit list of other "libs". Neither did Donald Trump deserve to have an attempt on his life by a disturbed crack-pot. It's obvious when a political figure like this is murdered that ideologies played a role in the murder. BOTH sides have crack-pots who prefer brute force to push their views across on the world. Statistically, it's not as cut and dried as one might think. Assuming every mass shooting has a political ideology behind it as motive (obviously not speaking about Kirk here) shows where we sit as a divided nation politically. Of the mass shootings since 2018, of those who expressed any political ideology, data shows most are conservative or white supremacists. But liberal mass shooters do exist. And, of over 4100 mass shooting incidents since 2018, only 7 were trans gender related...roughly .017 percent. Idiots celebrating two little kids losing their dad are just that....idiots, and they deserve to be condemned for doing so.

 

[4Q_iu]

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[sycamorebacker]

Celebrating the dudes death is inexcusable. So were Kirk's comments on the attack on Paul Pelosi's...spreading the easily debunked claim that rather than an assault by a conspiracy fueled conservative, it was the result of a gay love dispute. Kirk also said that some "amazing patriot" on the right could "become a hero" if they were to bail the attacker out of jail. Equally heinous were jokes and false narratives about the attack/gay lovers stories about the matter from conservatives Greg Gutfeld, Donald Trump, Jr, Marjorie Taylor Greene, etc. I don't chalk that up to mental retardation from conservatives. BOTH incidents are despicable and neither one of them deserved what happened to them......neither did the Minnesota public official, her husband and her dog deserve to be executed by a conservative with an extensive hit list of other "libs". Neither did Donald Trump deserve to have an attempt on his life by a disturbed crack-pot. It's obvious when a political figure like this is murdered that ideologies played a role in the murder. BOTH sides have crack-pots who prefer brute force to push their views across on the world. Statistically, it's not as cut and dried as one might think. Assuming every mass shooting has a political ideology behind it as motive (obviously not speaking about Kirk here) shows where we sit as a divided nation politically. Of the mass shootings since 2018, of those who expressed any political ideology, data shows most are conservative or white supremacists. But liberal mass shooters do exist. And, of over 4100 mass shooting incidents since 2018, only 7 were trans gender related...roughly .017 percent. Idiots celebrating two little kids losing their dad are just that....idiots, and they deserve to be condemned for doing so.

Where did you get those nonsensical stats? The minn lawmaker shooter was whacko and not a conservative. "conservative or white supremicists". What's that mean?
Don't conflate mass shootings with political assasinations. mass shooters come in all flavors. And I wonder why they don't publicize what drugs mass shooters are on.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Celebrating the dudes death is inexcusable. So were Kirk's comments on the attack on Paul Pelosi's...spreading the easily debunked claim that rather than an assault by a conspiracy fueled conservative, it was the result of a gay love dispute. Kirk also said that some "amazing patriot" on the right could "become a hero" if they were to bail the attacker out of jail. Equally heinous were jokes and false narratives about the attack/gay lovers stories about the matter from conservatives Greg Gutfeld, Donald Trump, Jr, Marjorie Taylor Greene, etc. I don't chalk that up to mental retardation from conservatives. BOTH incidents are despicable and neither one of them deserved what happened to them......neither did the Minnesota public official, her husband and her dog deserve to be executed by a conservative with an extensive hit list of other "libs". Neither did Donald Trump deserve to have an attempt on his life by a disturbed crack-pot. It's obvious when a political figure like this is murdered that ideologies played a role in the murder. BOTH sides have crack-pots who prefer brute force to push their views across on the world. Statistically, it's not as cut and dried as one might think. Assuming every mass shooting has a political ideology behind it as motive (obviously not speaking about Kirk here) shows where we sit as a divided nation politically. Of the mass shootings since 2018, of those who expressed any political ideology, data shows most are conservative or white supremacists. But liberal mass shooters do exist. And, of over 4100 mass shooting incidents since 2018, only 7 were trans gender related...roughly .017 percent. Idiots celebrating two little kids losing their dad are just that....idiots, and they deserve to be condemned for doing so.

I do. The fringes on both sides of the aisle that hold these unhinged and radical beliefs have something broken mentally. In my opinion, this is what is causing an overwhelming majority of the issues in society today. It is pretty interesting how the vocal minority has been allowed the hijack public discourse so effectively.

Mental illness is the biggest non-economic crisis plaguing the United States today.

It can be mild (where people just can't organize and process information with any sort of logic or rationality) to severe where they get stuck in a chronic stress and trauma feedback loop that leads to a whole slew of negative outcomes. It also doesn't help that these people often get stuck in systems (friend groups, social media, educational) that manipulate and amplify their issues.

I honestly don't know the answer to a fix here, either, because the people that could help the most (Governments through legislation and funding) arguably benefit from this the most. People may call me conspiratorial on that, but I believe both sides (which is really a uniparty at the end of the day) know that a poor, unhealthy populace is a controllable populace.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

In any event, this thread may have run its course here. If this goes off the rails, I'm going to lock it. So please use consideration for one another before you respond and hit that post reply button.