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EvilleSycamore said:
"It doesn't get too bad"???????? WTH WAKE UP KID what is it now if it's not too bad?!?!?! The football program can be summed up by one saying for the last 40 plus years. The definition of insanity or ISU Football or ISU as a whole today- Repeating the same process and hoping for a different result. Well guess what, it hasn't worked, it isn't working, it won't work time to ditch this pig and save the losses. If my businesses operated like this program I would have shut them down 35 years ago that is reality in the business world and maybe this needs to be looked at like a business instead of a hobby that it is now.
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Last season we won 2 games, lost 4 others by a possession or less. Last season was "bad". "Too bad" is Lou West football where we're losing almost every conference game by 50 and not even competitive. We may very well be on the path to "too bad" right now after that 27-0 performance. Should've been 0-6 at halftime, but the play calling and the (lack of) decision making by Screws completely killed us. I think Screws may have gotten rattled from the big hit he took out of bounds earlier in the game, but it is what it is.

I also don't know how many times I have to say that I don't think Mallory isn't up to the job. His current offense that he's been trying to run for 4 or 5 years now sucks and won't ever work here. Our recruiting sucks. Indiana HS FB is pretty pathetic overall and yet we're recruiting players that other schools in Indiana apparently don't want. Our AD signed up for another 6 or 7 years of this while the program was trending downwards. Overall Clink has been an okay AD, but I've never understood the extension.

Can Mallory turn it around? I honestly don't know. I think his max high is 5 wins and his max low could easily be Lou West era football. Hoping it's closer to his max high than his max low. Right now, I don't think we'll win a game this season unless we beat WIU on senior day. We might not even score at all this month. So yeah actually I think things are pretty bad.
 

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sycamore tuff said:
Nothing says DI like dropping football.
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sycamore tuff said:
Nothing says DI like dropping football.
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Nobody considers what we play division one anyways. The only sports the casual ISU fan cares about are the ones that can play in the same championship level tournaments as the IU's and Purdues of the world...That's just the truth of the situation... Nobody here believes if we cut football we magically become a national powerhouse in MBB..But the potential ROI in MBB is there with a postseason run that just doesn't exist with FB.. Even if it only meant a 5-10% increase in funding for MBB and Baseball it is more than worth doing..This doesn't even bring into account the unsolvable problem we have with our FB stadium.. I've yet to hear anyone who supports keeping the program bring a tangible solution to the table for that problem.
 
sycamore tuff said:
Nothing says DI like dropping football.
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A highly debatable position but until the DIE-HARDs step up their game and unleash their wallets, Indiana State is simply NOT in a position to support football.

The facilities are poor, bad. We continue to decline on the field. Alumni, Student, Community apathy continues to increase and to what end?
 
DEB is perfect for getting rid of the football, she could get it done with no problem. She is so disliked that she could do it and not give a dam, heck she might enjoy it! IF basketball gets 5-10% of the savings it would be fine with me, It appears that football is not the least bit competitive, and have no plans for the future. DEB is the person to do it, their demise might already be planned. I've heard the school is like 6M in debt it seems like like a logical step. I don't like it but I love the basketball program and if parting ways with football can help their basketball program it makes sense!
 

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Sycamorefan96 said:
The NCAA shouldn't even allow schools without football to be Division 1. That would be an easy way to get rid of all of these wannabe schools that should really be D2. Guarantee every Big East school would be able to fund a football team if they had to, in order to stay D1.
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You are of COURSE including your favorite OVC powers:

So. Illinois Univ - Edwardsville
U. Arkansas-Little Rock
and...
Indiana State Univ - Evansville...

Correct?!?!
 
Now is the time for getting rid of football. Unfortunately our presidents cares more about optics than results. Getting rid of a football program is never a good look for any university; even if it's warranty like in our case. You are going to have people upset and they are going to take to social media. 90% of these people will be uneducated and don't have the slightest inkling of the business/financial aspects of college athletics. The other 10% will come from football alum, season ticket holders, or the 50 diehards we have (I get it if you spent time in the program or spent time or money for the program). But at the end of the day it's important for ISU to see a ROI for folding that fb program. That ROI better come in the form of "W"s from other athletics teams; mainly basketball and baseball. We have 2 guys in charge that we are going to want to keep around in charge of those 2 programs. Now is the time get rid of football, fund other sports appropriately and watch them elevate. You don't pull the plug on football if your other programs can't perform - that will be a disaster. The dominos are in place and I have faith that we have the head coaches around the department to elevate the other programs. Now is the time.
 
4Q_iu said:
You are of COURSE including your favorite OVC powers:

So. Illinois Univ - Edwardsville
U. Arkansas-Little Rock
and...
Indiana State Univ - Evansville...

Correct?!?!
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Yes. Throw MVC foes Evansville, Bradley, and UIC into the mix too. I've heard that Evansville is considering maybe bringing back Pioneer League football.
 
treeman said:
Now is the time for getting rid of football. Unfortunately our presidents cares more about optics than results. Getting rid of a football program is never a good look for any university; even if it's warranty like in our case. You are going to have people upset and they are going to take to social media. 90% of these people will be uneducated and don't have the slightest inkling of the business/financial aspects of college athletics. The other 10% will come from football alum, season ticket holders, or the 50 diehards we have (I get it if you spent time in the program or spent time or money for the program). But at the end of the day it's important for ISU to see a ROI for folding that fb program. That ROI better come in the form of "W"s from other athletics teams; mainly basketball and baseball. We have 2 guys in charge that we are going to want to keep around in charge of those 2 programs. Now is the time get rid of football, fund other sports appropriately and watch them elevate. You don't pull the plug on football if your other programs can't perform - that will be a disaster. The dominos are in place and I have faith that we have the head coaches around the department to elevate the other programs. Now is the time.
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All of ISU's athletic programs lose money / are subsidized by the student body.
 
treeman said:
Now is the time for getting rid of football. Unfortunately our presidents cares more about optics than results. Getting rid of a football program is never a good look for any university; even if it's warranty like in our case. You are going to have people upset and they are going to take to social media. 90% of these people will be uneducated and don't have the slightest inkling of the business/financial aspects of college athletics. The other 10% will come from football alum, season ticket holders, or the 50 diehards we have (I get it if you spent time in the program or spent time or money for the program). But at the end of the day it's important for ISU to see a ROI for folding that fb program. That ROI better come in the form of "W"s from other athletics teams; mainly basketball and baseball. We have 2 guys in charge that we are going to want to keep around in charge of those 2 programs. Now is the time get rid of football, fund other sports appropriately and watch them elevate. You don't pull the plug on football if your other programs can't perform - that will be a disaster. The dominos are in place and I have faith that we have the head coaches around the department to elevate the other programs. Now is the time.
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I would argue that even though she would take criticism from that group of people, this might be the only thing that would give the majority of ISU supporters any faith in her leadership and vision going forward...
 

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Sycamorefan96 said:
Yes. Throw MVC foes Evansville, Bradley, and UIC into the mix too. I've heard that Evansville is considering maybe bringing back Pioneer League football.
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Add Belmont to your list -- they also don't play football.

why are you suddenly turning on ISUE? You were their biggest supporter as they moved from Div II to wanna-be Div I without football...
 
4Q_iu said:
Add Belmont to your list -- they also don't play football.

why are you suddenly turning on ISUE? You were their biggest supporter as they moved from Div II to wanna-be Div I without football...
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I forgot about Belmont, but yes add them to the list.

Not turning on USI. As long as they're classified as D1 I think we should play them in basketball. My argument is that they really shouldn't be allowed to be D1 unless they start up a football program; which is the same position I have for all of the other schools I previously mentioned.

The standards to be D1 need to be raised. Way too many schools that have no business in Division 1, especially out on the east coast.
 
Sycamorefan96 said:
All of ISU's athletic programs lose money / are subsidized by the student body.
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So there should be about 5 athletic programs in all of college sports than with that thinking. Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Alabama football.
 
treeman said:
So there should be about 5 athletic programs in all of college sports than with that thinking. Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Alabama football.
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Hey. We here in Ohio would demand at least one more school be added to that list. One that has a self funded athletic program by the way.
 
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treeman said:
So there should be about 5 athletic programs in all of college sports than with that thinking. Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Alabama football.
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Not sure that list is accurate - i've met some nd grads who claim they as students fund athletics, the latest list was from 2021 ( I believe ) on revenue (not itemized to source) to expense
 
Sycamorefan96 said:
I forgot about Belmont, but yes add them to the list.

Not turning on USI. As long as they're classified as D1 I think we should play them in basketball. My argument is that they really shouldn't be allowed to be D1 unless they start up a football program; which is the same position I have for all of the other schools I previously mentioned.

The standards to be D1 need to be raised. Way too many schools that have no business in Division 1, especially out on the east coast.
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obviously the ncaa disagrees with you

using your logic, ISUE remains a div II school b/c of football.

you're also intentionally (?) forgetting a number of east coast schools play hockey - the 2nd/3rd highest scholarship program in Div I.

the only stipulation the ncaa places on div I members wrt football is that IF a member has a football team, it must be a Div I program; FBS and its 85 scholies are an option, FCS and its 63 scholies OR non-scholarhip FCS (Pioneer, Ivy). Of note, the Patriot League and NEC both offer FCS football but with reduced scholarships.
 
The last winning coach at ISU was Jerry Huntsman `966-1972. His record was 72-27-1, so yes we did have decent football at one time.
 
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