Dropping both is the best of both worlds.
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Quincy bro. Quincy… quit being ignorant.
Shall we always come on this blog and continually “Drop Football” is that the answer? Put money in Basketball with The NIl and still be mid pack? No! Until we get way more money pledge, then, talk is cheap!
Such a short post but so much to unpack here…
Dropping football is actually the only answer. It was the answer 15 years ago as well. The millions we would have saved in that short period of time.
And no, dropping it doesn’t suddenly make everything okay… As I said a few days ago football’s struggles to ever build a consistent winner go beyond who the head coach is or what stadium they play in or where the stadiums located. It’s much deeper than that.
As for “put money in basketball” I can almost assure you that cutting football doesn’t result in those $$$ being reallocated toward basketball. The suggestion by many is to do that and while I agree it’s highly unlikely that’s what happens.
As for “with the NIL and still be mid pack” mid pack of what? The MVC? How do you know with that money being funneled into the hoops program we wouldn’t consistently finish in the top half of the league? Quite a bit of data to suggest you’re wrong on that point regardless of NIL. It would almost guarantee that you will have enough money to pay to keep JS in the next couple years if he continues to find success. If you can’t afford to keep him and have to once again hit reset on your coaching staff it would be a pretty big setback. Unless they privately raise the funds not sure where the money would come from…
“Talk is cheap” you’re right it is cheap but it doesn’t apply to me. I give back what I can to Indiana State so it’s not just posting on Sycamore Pride and saying cut football just because… And don’t be pissed off at me for having to read these posts year after year. Be pissed off at Indiana State and the football program - they are the one’s constantly getting throttled. If they were winning we wouldn’t be talking about this.
“Pledge money…” Money will solve a lot problems for sure but it goes way beyond that for Indiana State right now. So many more fundamental issues that need to be addressed - the solution isn’t always let’s just throw money at something and it will make it better. That isn’t the case with Indiana State right now.
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Football has the same issues that basketball used to have. We just keep making the wrong hires, plain and simple. Miles and Sanford proved that you can win here as a head coach, and in the case of Miles he built the program back up after Lou West completely ran it into the ground.
We hired Mallory because of his dad, because apparently his dad was a relatively good coach at IU. Mallory's highest coaching position held prior to ISU was DC at Akron in 2010. Akron went 1-11 that season, with a loss to an FCS school (Gardner Webb), and they gave up an average of 35 points per game. Meanwhile ISU was their own worst enemy again and they gave him a huge extension after a couple of not so good seasons, based on the result of one good season.
If you go all the way back to Lou West, anyone that was around back then can tell you why we hired him over Jim Harbaugh.
We hired Mallory because of his dad, because apparently his dad was a relatively good coach at IU. Mallory's highest coaching position held prior to ISU was DC at Akron in 2010. Akron went 1-11 that season, with a loss to an FCS school (Gardner Webb), and they gave up an average of 35 points per game. Meanwhile ISU was their own worst enemy again and they gave him a huge extension after a couple of not so good seasons, based on the result of one good season.
If you go all the way back to Lou West, anyone that was around back then can tell you why we hired him over Jim Harbaugh.
Dick Jamison and then Reatz proved it as well.
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Yes, The Valley
Dick Jamieson? Are you serious? 3-8 and 8-3 in his 2, two, 2 seasons?
Hell, with THAT kind of logic, you probably think Art Strum was the GREATEST MBB coach in ISU history
and Raetz lost more than he won but he won enough to lull the ISU community into 'believing ISU Football' is a profitable option
You guys do this thing where you keep doubling down and you keep being wrong… You’d think at some point you’d just google it and then not double down - but you don’t even do the homework. 
1980 - 1997 : 94-105 - Ratez
1998 - 2004 : 24-55 - McGuire
2005-2007 : 1-32 - West
2008-2012 : 20-36 - Miles
2013-2016 : 18-30 - Stanford
2017-2023 : 18-36 - Mallory (added our loss for Friday already)
20-36 and 18-30 overall is what success looks like… Because they had “successful” seasons. Surrounded by straight dog shit seasons. No one had a career winning record during the entire tenure here in the last 45 years most of them not even close.
1980 - 1997 : 94-105 - Ratez
1998 - 2004 : 24-55 - McGuire
2005-2007 : 1-32 - West
2008-2012 : 20-36 - Miles
2013-2016 : 18-30 - Stanford
2017-2023 : 18-36 - Mallory (added our loss for Friday already)
20-36 and 18-30 overall is what success looks like… Because they had “successful” seasons. Surrounded by straight dog shit seasons. No one had a career winning record during the entire tenure here in the last 45 years most of them not even close.
In the time it took you to make that post you could have called the athletic department and donated $100 to the football program.
That’s how cheap talk really is… You coulda just posted the donation receipt they sent you. That woulda made a much better post but you come with, “Yes, The Valley”.
Do you think we can come up with $100 million in donations for the football program within the next decade?
If the answer is yes, you need to contact the SAF and volunteer your fundraising efforts. If the answer is no, yes, it really is that simple. To be competitive within the Valley, the program would need a new stadium and practice and training facility. With inflation, that is easily 75-80% of that. The remainder would be used to hire a competent coach and staff and give them a 5-10 year runway to be funded to the hilt.
Only for none of the students to give a shit because they don't believe FCS football to be "real" D1 football. Look, we all have romantic and emotional memories about what things were like when we were in school. That was an entirely different landscape that simply does not exist anymore. Unless you're a P5 program, nobody cares about your program aside from secondary support if their primary team isn't playing. Hell, in recent years, I've seen ISU football players opening supporting P5 schools on social media and many former players show zero support but post about P5 teams and games. It's dead money.
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I now nominated Jason as the next Sycamore Athetic Director - effective immediately.
A show of hands please?
Every year for the last 2-3 (at least) we have had this discussion. Probably about 60% on here want to drop football, the other 40% don’t and give various solutions to the problem of fan apathy and a losing team.
And every year I ask the same questions and I rarely get an answer (or at least a realistic, detailed one). But here goes another try….
Question 1
What does a successful program look like at ISU? What are the measurables?
Question 2
What would it take financially for the program to reach that level of success you answered in question 1? (Jason gave his number, but if you disagree please state your number)
Question 3
Based on recent (the last 10-15 years) history, does Indiana State have a realistic hope of a) raising the amount of money you listed in question 2 and b) spending it all in the football program over the course of many years?
And every year I ask the same questions and I rarely get an answer (or at least a realistic, detailed one). But here goes another try….
Question 1
What does a successful program look like at ISU? What are the measurables?
Question 2
What would it take financially for the program to reach that level of success you answered in question 1? (Jason gave his number, but if you disagree please state your number)
Question 3
Based on recent (the last 10-15 years) history, does Indiana State have a realistic hope of a) raising the amount of money you listed in question 2 and b) spending it all in the football program over the course of many years?
EvilleSycamore
The All-MVC Level
Here is a novel Idea! Why not implement the better the sport does and more they win the more money they get. This would be for ALL sports programs male and female instead of dumping good money on shitty football. How many years has Track/ Cross Country, Baseball, Softball, Now swimming been successful on shoestring budgets????? Reward them. This allows the football team the opportunity to earn it. Other programs at ISU are doing it with no money how about them. ISU is at a point it can't pay in excess of $100 million for ONE program that has never been successful, Sorry if that butt hurts anyone. if you reward success you will spend a hell of a lot less. Would you reall support a new stadium and indoor practice facility for this level of play? I will not. The football team Sucked in the late 80's when i was there, they still suck now, what does that say for the program?
And if we get rid of football we can get rid of some of the shitty performing women’s sports too right?
Just saying.....cause we could really save some money and still be Title IX compliant, right?
Just saying.....cause we could really save some money and still be Title IX compliant, right?
He took over for Tom Harp year 1, and started 65% Freshman.
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I would wager to bet that if you added up every women's sport at ISU the total amount would still be less than what is spent on football. But I am sure someone will come back with "but we play money games in football and earn several hundred thousand so the program pays for itself."
It doesn't.
WTH?
Tom Harp spent 5 seasons on the Fightin' Tree sideline, he was 20-31 and never won more than 5 games, never lost fewer than 5...
What does Harp have to do with Jamieson's 2 seasons? Other than setting the bar so low that 4 wins is enough to keep your job?
Has nothing to do with Harp. I’m saying in year 2, Jamieson after rebuilding the program with Freshmen we’re in a MVC Title fight with Tulsa. So, ya, I think Jamieson did an outstanding job his Second year.
Because that isn't how accounting works. The majority of the expense is coaches and athlete scholarship expense and then other major cost centers are facilities maintenance/upkeep and game day operations. All of those are essentially fixed on a year-to-year basis.
