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The Sycamore Level
I said more or less this when I received my "how are we doing?" survey email the other day. Hopefully others did as well.
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Enrollment drops ~5%; Headcount now under 8k
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Yep, got it, too and essentially said the same.
For everyone else not priivy, check your email for an email from SimpsonScarborough Higher Education Research.
must be a random survey - still waiting on this end
More blame on the Curtis administration than any other.
Curtis Derangement Syndrome
ISU's enrollment dropped by 30% over two years during the Rankin Era (19,000 in 1971, 13,500 by 1973)
It then dropped ANOTHER 25% over the last two years of his tenure (13,500 in 1973, 10,600 in 1975 when Landini arrives)
I'm sure you were screaming for Rankin's head at that time
During Landini's era, he added ~1,000 students to the enrollment by the time he resigned/retired; only took him 16 years to boost enrollment by 1,000
Look into your mirror and seriously ask yourself, why the hell did ISU have an enrollment of approx. 11,000 in 1967 AND still have an enrollment of 11,000 in 1987?
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The Wade Level
Indiana struggles to reverse decline in college enrollment
The number of Indiana high school graduates heading to college is just 53 percent for the third year in a row.
www.wfyi.org
"The number of Indiana high school graduates heading to college is just 53 percent for the third year in a row. That’s a steep decline from its peak over a decade ago, and the latest sign that the low college-going rate is an intractable problem for the state."
College going rate: Indiana's college going rate has declined by 13% since 2015, which is roughly twice the national average.
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Indiana struggles to reverse decline in college enrollment
The number of Indiana high school graduates heading to college is just 53 percent for the third year in a row.www.wfyi.org
"The number of Indiana high school graduates heading to college is just 53 percent for the third year in a row. That’s a steep decline from its peak over a decade ago, and the latest sign that the low college-going rate is an intractable problem for the state."
College going rate: Indiana's college going rate has declined by 13% since 2015, which is roughly twice the national average.
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symptom of a larger problem... the "emptying" of the heartland for the coasts and sunbelt...
"recent" numbers (over the past three school years) reflect the following:
ISU has ~55% students from Indiana, ~45% from outside Indiana, includes foreign students
ISU-Muncee has 74% of their students from Indiana, ~24.6% from other states, the remaining 1.4% from foreign nations
Purdue has 40% from Indiana, 42% from other states, 18% from foreign nations
IU-system (because the obscure the data) has 75% of kids - all IU campuses from Indiana; 25% from other states and their foreign students have been dropping
Eleven
The Wade Level
Yeah... ISU (the Original) used to be the leader in the state for Hoosier students... And is probably much higher if you count the "7 counties" in Illinois that were once considered almost "in state".
This was the result of the economy being completely awful and the wide perception at the time that you had to go to college to get a job, especially one that paid halfway decent. Now college is so expensive that many people wonder if it's even worth the cost, plus the economy isn't so awful that the people that are actually still willing to hold a job can find one. I know of quite a few folks that just work 20 hours a week and live off of food stamps and the dirt cheap welfare health insurance system we apparently have, and they're perfectly happy with that. Sometimes I wonder if I'm the idiot for being willing to work and be away from home weeks at a time.Indiana struggles to reverse decline in college enrollment
The number of Indiana high school graduates heading to college is just 53 percent for the third year in a row.www.wfyi.org
"The number of Indiana high school graduates heading to college is just 53 percent for the third year in a row. That’s a steep decline from its peak over a decade ago, and the latest sign that the low college-going rate is an intractable problem for the state."
College going rate: Indiana's college going rate has declined by 13% since 2015, which is roughly twice the national average.
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I had the opportunity to speak to Godard a few weeks ago at the President Scholars Golf Outing and we had a good talk... I outright told him, I was really pleased to see that they came in an extended Angie Martin - she deserved that for her continued success with the Track and Field Programs. I asked Angie, "was that expected" and she said, "no in the past I would have begged for such a deal to get done" - the fact that you all went to her with the extension is the way things should work, so thank you! I said I thought it was great that you all promoted / title changed Angie Lansing. I think what Angie has meant to the athletic department has been understated and I think it was a great decision.
I can tell you - he's been very active at local community events. That same evening he and Nathan both came from the golf outing at the Brickyard to be at the Annual Chamber of Commerce dinner at the Convention Center. They both were present downtown that Saturday at the Annual Diversity Walk. They've been seen at countless other community events since arriving on campus - both are very active, engaged and aligned from what I can tell.
I mean... It's not the worst position for a new President to be in. From a public perspective anyway - you are going to be judged on enrollment - enrollment is in the basement. If you can work your ass off and get enrollment above 10k people are going to be happy with the job you are doing, if you can some how get enrollment back above 12k people are going to be thrilled with the job you are doing. You have one metric that people are judging your success or failure on - it's really not the worst position in the world to be in.
From the people I have talked to - I think it's been a very refreshing start w/ this new Administration! The enrollment numbers that were released are squarely on the shoulders of the past president who shall not be named by me.
I can tell you - he's been very active at local community events. That same evening he and Nathan both came from the golf outing at the Brickyard to be at the Annual Chamber of Commerce dinner at the Convention Center. They both were present downtown that Saturday at the Annual Diversity Walk. They've been seen at countless other community events since arriving on campus - both are very active, engaged and aligned from what I can tell.
I mean... It's not the worst position for a new President to be in. From a public perspective anyway - you are going to be judged on enrollment - enrollment is in the basement. If you can work your ass off and get enrollment above 10k people are going to be happy with the job you are doing, if you can some how get enrollment back above 12k people are going to be thrilled with the job you are doing. You have one metric that people are judging your success or failure on - it's really not the worst position in the world to be in.
From the people I have talked to - I think it's been a very refreshing start w/ this new Administration! The enrollment numbers that were released are squarely on the shoulders of the past president who shall not be named by me.
Careful, your continued defense of Curtis exposes your wokeism.
And, she was the Queen of Woke. No one else on this board defends her like you do!
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Indiana struggles to reverse decline in college enrollment
The number of Indiana high school graduates heading to college is just 53 percent for the third year in a row.www.wfyi.org
"The number of Indiana high school graduates heading to college is just 53 percent for the third year in a row. That’s a steep decline from its peak over a decade ago, and the latest sign that the low college-going rate is an intractable problem for the state."
College going rate: Indiana's college going rate has declined by 13% since 2015, which is roughly twice the national average.
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Honestly the 12k mark is about the sweet spot provided a big majority of those are on campus residents. That gives you a pretty vibrant campus with a lot of student involvement.
If dorms were at 100% occupancy, what is that number?
Nice... this is definitely the sort of thing you want to hear. Keep it coming.
Actually have to agree with this first part. Going to college from 2009-2013 the perception at the time was "YOU HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE OR MILITARY". There were no other options at that moment. Trade school? nobody even talked about that. Entering the workforce? there were no jobs. You had no choice. There was also no talk of how predatorial student loans were at the time either. Go to school. take out 50k-70k worth of student loans, and hopefully get a job that pays 50k-80k, then pay off those loans within a few years (i mean what 18 year old thinks about taxes, gas, insurance, rent, mortgages, groceries, entertainment, and maybe putting in a 401k) was the model back in the early 2010s. I graduated school in the spring of 2013 and was the ONLY person I knew that got a job right away that was salary, full time, and provided insurance; I was a teacher back then and was DAMN lucky to get that job; now they are BEGGING for teachers. All my friends with degrees worked as temps, were substitute teachers, worked for their family companies, or just went back to their summer jobs.
Now It's common knowledge college is overpriced and those loans you take out will keep you down financially for decades if not longer. Also, untraditional college credits have become way more common-practice with online universities and courses you can take in high school. And you darn near have to be a moron to not have a job the last 4 years. But the kicker to all of this is, it's damn tough right now being a new college graduate: you probably have 30k-70k in student loans, a 6 year old used but reliable car is around $18,000, average rent In Indianapolis is about $1,000 for a single bedroom, and that starter home that was $80,000 7 years ago is now $190,000. I mean what is the incentive to go to college anymore if you don't have parents paying for it or a stable plan when you get out?
Old white dudes such as yourself should seriously refrain from using the term 'woke'
You don't understand it, you never will and your continued use of it just ensures the world that your slip is indeed showing
If previous administrations would have worked to GROW ISU, than the current factors that have led to the low enrollment would be mitigated.
Every ISU Pres. since Rankin is to blame for their role, their decisions/non-decisions in getting the University to where it is today
However, you love to blame one person because it's easy
Perhaps if YOU were woke, you'd understand everything that I've said but you're not, you won't
Is she to blame? Sure, as much as Bradley, Benjamin, Moore and Landini
Include them in your blame
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the only advantages at the 12K or lower ## is that every student should, likely have a professor for a class, NOT a grad student/TA or an instructor
but to alleviate other issues, ISU should have always strived for 17,500 - 20K; no reason to get into the high 20s, low 30s but get closer to 20K and you'll definitely have a vibrant campus, add winning MBB and even a 'good Fball team' and no one would recognize ISU; hell, there may be rumors ("again") of joining the Big Ten...
