Please explain your thinking re: the bolded statements. I don't get it...
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Please explain your thinking re: the bolded statements. I don't get it...
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Bally #50
The JSW Level
To HometownHick......Hardly a ringing endorsement. If you don't like the pick, say why! Just don't say he'll be gone in 2014. Talk about a left-handed compliment? We don't know everything so enlighten us. Plead your case, if you have one. Time to expalin your reasoning, HH.
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BankShot
The Kleuh Level
What's the hangup, 'Hick? Is it a neurologic issue along the sideline, or simply question Lansing's ability to organize a "machine?"
Hmmm -- Lansing helped coach and recruit the last two NCAA teams at Indiana State...
Would love to hear more on this, "...I thought to myself, "please god don't let it be an assistant, go out and get a name"....." --- Given the reality of State and mid-major basketball; how can State, "go out and get a name"??
i keep reading in the thread where people want someone who will stay a long time. that is not always the answer. royce would still be here if we had not made the move.
no disrespect to lansing, but why not open up the process. even if for a few days.
lansing will never leave on his own. oh, he might go to iowa or iowa state, it offered the jobs, but am mckenna will tell you, isu may not be a stepping stone to the big time. mckenna will have a better chance at a big time job going from an assistance at oregon rather from head coach at isu.
look at ucla. yes, i am talking about ucla and isu in the same sentences.
since wooden left, ucla has been thru numours coaches. they have had great years and some very poor years, but if you had a son who could play big time bb, would you rather he go to isu or ucla.
i think we are still thinking small time
no disrespect to lansing, but why not open up the process. even if for a few days.
lansing will never leave on his own. oh, he might go to iowa or iowa state, it offered the jobs, but am mckenna will tell you, isu may not be a stepping stone to the big time. mckenna will have a better chance at a big time job going from an assistance at oregon rather from head coach at isu.
look at ucla. yes, i am talking about ucla and isu in the same sentences.
since wooden left, ucla has been thru numours coaches. they have had great years and some very poor years, but if you had a son who could play big time bb, would you rather he go to isu or ucla.
i think we are still thinking small time
The question than remains: Is he the Royce (and staff and roster) of the first 4 seasons or the last 4??
mckenna left for Nike $$$ not necessarily to position himself for a 'big time job' -- there's as much or more pub on the mid-major coach who makes repeated trips, with a deep run, in the NCAA. Look at Scott Drew; how many more places would be chasing him if Baylor gets past duke to the final four?
Small time?? So, we should think we have the fan base // REVENUE of a BCS school??
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Is Baylor a mid-major?
No it's not --- but you don't think a school in a bigger media market; with fewer academic 'barriers' wouldn't have come calling if he takes the bears to the final four??
Look at the mess he accepted in replacing that slime-ball (knight ass't) dave bliss?!?!
OMG --- Drew has done an OUTSTANDING job at Baylor; he may stay forever (but if utexas doesn't squeeze the tv deal outta the rest of the b12 members) is there even a Big 12 for Baylor?? The Pac-10 / 16 didn't want Baylor, neither did the Mountain West...
I think he's been on the short list for a number of jobs. But I suppose he might have gotten a few additional looks by beating Duke.
4Q_iu brings up the touchy subject of $$$$. (Be careful there 4Q, certain posters to this board will try to drive you off the court for bringing up issues related to reality rather than romance.) 4Q is allowed to bring up important and, to some, touchy issues without being called for a technical or personal foul, so here goes:
My questions for those in the know is what will Coach Lansing be paid by our fine institution, Indiana State University? The same, more or less than our departing leader of young scholar-athletes? Are there limits, in dollars, this job deserves? Should it be in line with administrative salaries? faculty salaries? If not, what does this say or mean in regard to how the athletic program is or is not a part of ISU? And just how should his success (or failure) be measured--wins? clean program? graduation rates? people in the stands? trophies in a glass case? willingness to stay on at ISU through thick and thin? all of these? and, if all is achieved, how much should his pay be increased in two, three, five years?
bent20
The Odum Level
McKenna was the fifth highest paid employee at Indiana State University. No one in the athletic department made near his money. Heck, our school president "only" makes $265,000. Prettyman by example, makes $127,926 (got all of this from the Indystar database).
Is it a lot of money compared to other universities, no! But the fact that the head men's basketball coach is the fifth highest paid person at our university should show you how much of an emphasis the school places on the program. Let's not be silly.
Is it a lot of money compared to other universities, no! But the fact that the head men's basketball coach is the fifth highest paid person at our university should show you how much of an emphasis the school places on the program. Let's not be silly.
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I should have...
further explained the Nike $$$$ comment; while many, many schools benefit from Nike (and other shoe/apparel company money), to many casual sports fans, it's probably NOT well known that Phil Knight (Nike co-founder, CEO) is an Oregon alumnus, who LOVES to donate money to Oregon.
Had Altman went to Okla St. (and drawn mckenna to Stillwater...) I'd have tossed some snarky comments at T. Boone Pickens, robber barron at-large...
Knight and Pickens are free to do with their money as they wish; I just WISH we had some Uber- Damn-near Criminally RICH Alumni from INDIANA STATE who LOVE to donate money to State!
further explained the Nike $$$$ comment; while many, many schools benefit from Nike (and other shoe/apparel company money), to many casual sports fans, it's probably NOT well known that Phil Knight (Nike co-founder, CEO) is an Oregon alumnus, who LOVES to donate money to Oregon.
Had Altman went to Okla St. (and drawn mckenna to Stillwater...) I'd have tossed some snarky comments at T. Boone Pickens, robber barron at-large...
Knight and Pickens are free to do with their money as they wish; I just WISH we had some Uber- Damn-near Criminally RICH Alumni from INDIANA STATE who LOVE to donate money to State!
I don't know, 4Q, I would be careful about what you wish for. Here's a Q & A I put out several years ago. Does it still hold up at Boulder? Can it be applied across the board to the "Super Conference" schools? Can any of this money be more usefully applied to the educational rather than the entertainment mission of universities?
Well, then I'll ask if you were horrified by Donald W. Scott''s (and his family) decision to donate ~$12M+ to Indiana State?
Yes -- when a donor with the ego of a Knight, Pickens, Gates strolls in and plunks it down and says it's yours if you ... yes, there are likely going to be some problems. (but it would interesting to see the 'problems' that would occur at State)
In restrospect, has ANYONE out at RHIT (nee' RPI) regretted accepting the Hulman money??? The largest downside was probably decades worth of students who were 'forced' to attend a non-CoEd school... Though Mdme Hulman passed away 'in time' for RHIT to roll into the 21st century as a Co-Ed school...
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Never Look a Gift Horse in the Mouth?
It's easy to be in favor of something over nothing. Rockefeller money built a world class university in Chicago and Carnegie found ways to do good with his billions. But I can't seem to find a stadium or a weight room with a plaque honoring their philanthropy. Schools and institutes they supported with oil and steel bucks, some "earned" through nefarious means, did lead to scholarship that translated the ancient texts of Byzantium, cured diseases and split the atom. (It took Robert Hutchins, the great pres at the U. of Chicago, to turn that school away from the twenties craze for football. Where are the college presidents of today with the courage and vision of Hutchins'.)
My beef with targeted money for Big Buck athletic programs is that it does not lead to more giving to the educational and research activities which is what institutions of higher education are/should be all about.
It's easy to be in favor of something over nothing. Rockefeller money built a world class university in Chicago and Carnegie found ways to do good with his billions. But I can't seem to find a stadium or a weight room with a plaque honoring their philanthropy. Schools and institutes they supported with oil and steel bucks, some "earned" through nefarious means, did lead to scholarship that translated the ancient texts of Byzantium, cured diseases and split the atom. (It took Robert Hutchins, the great pres at the U. of Chicago, to turn that school away from the twenties craze for football. Where are the college presidents of today with the courage and vision of Hutchins'.)
My beef with targeted money for Big Buck athletic programs is that it does not lead to more giving to the educational and research activities which is what institutions of higher education are/should be all about.
I'm not disagreeing...
I have zero interest in sharing my tax records but I will say that in my 25yr+ 'relationship' with State, I believe I have donated <$500 to the athletic department. I HAVE donated ~20x that to the institution / foundation; usually to 'greatest need' and/or the College of Arts/Sciences.
I'm not looking for attaboys but to merely point out that many folks on this msg board are both fans of the Athl Dep't AND the Academic side...There CAN be a balance between the two sides (and the fans and donations).
While I type the following quote with regret; it IS so very true:
(Paraphrased) "80,000 people don't show up on Saturday afternoons to watch a chemistry test..." Paul "Bear" Bryant, Univ of Alabama football coach
I have zero interest in sharing my tax records but I will say that in my 25yr+ 'relationship' with State, I believe I have donated <$500 to the athletic department. I HAVE donated ~20x that to the institution / foundation; usually to 'greatest need' and/or the College of Arts/Sciences.
I'm not looking for attaboys but to merely point out that many folks on this msg board are both fans of the Athl Dep't AND the Academic side...There CAN be a balance between the two sides (and the fans and donations).
While I type the following quote with regret; it IS so very true:
(Paraphrased) "80,000 people don't show up on Saturday afternoons to watch a chemistry test..." Paul "Bear" Bryant, Univ of Alabama football coach
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And I'm not looking to bad mouth supporters of ISU in any way. As I've said ad infinitum, ISU's Big Buck Athletic program is only a minute representative of a much larger problem. Your personal general support of ISU is admirable and far too rare. The facts on public and alum support to schools are clear. Money increasingly gravitates toward the Big Buck, Small Payoff Athletic programs.
Bear Bryant is right about the 80,000. But perhaps it's more important for one or two representatives of a pharmaceutical giant to show up in a schools chem lab or job fair than to sit in a luxury box in a football stadium.
Have an uncle (ISU Alum late '60s) who always says that ISU 'screwed up' by moving from Div II to Div I... he's made some very convincing argument.
Given their resources; he's not completely wrong --- though I'm not sure what a Div II athletic program would do for general student enrollment/interest
Don't forget that minor sports bring in extra tuition-paying students. How many extra students are here for baseball that are not getting much scholarship money? Quite a few.
I assume you mean the baseball team, no?? IE -- State has a baseball team of ~30 players, we provide athletic scholies to ~10, the other 20 players are at State instead of school 'X'?? This is your scenario?
My uncle was at State when the athletic dep't was male-oriented (ie no women's soccer or golf, volleyball, etc) -- fball, MBB, baseball, swim/dive, track/field, x-country, tennis, golf, wrestling, gymnastics and be going div 1, state lost wrestling (Baumgartner) gymnastics (Thomas) tennis, etc, etc
He's always believed that State should have remained Div II; they'd be able to add the additional sports (thereby having a larger athletic dept) and having more success (just at Div II vice Div I)
At this point, it doesnt' matter -- I don't see State 'returning' to Div II...
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