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Jason Svoboda

Jason Svoboda

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I call this the basketball version of football's prevent defense -- only thing you're preventing is yourself winning. SB/BU Game was tied with 35 seconds left and shot clock was off. Why would the defense let the opposing point just stand out top and run the time off? Why wouldn't you challenge him for the 5 second call so you could at least have time left on the clock?

What ended up happening is a foul was called with 2.4 left. So you could have had 8-10 seconds to do something with the ball if you forced them into the offense. Instead of a good look, they ended up heaving a 3/4 court prayer that rimmed out. Makes no sense to me?
 

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absolutely agree Svoboda. makes no sense to just sit back and watch it happen to you; force the action & even if they score, you at least get a chance to tie it up or win it.
 
when I played we always played pressure d all the way down the floor. they get a breakout shot? At least you get the opportunity to answer.of course the lack of High school shot clock is annoying.
 
Similar situation and one that I never understand and you always hear the announcer say, "they should have fouled earlier in the shot clock" your team is down and you're clearly in a "foul" situation and you try to get a steal or whatever and then you just decided to foul with under 15 left on the shot clock? If you're going to foul then do it in the first 5 or 10 seconds of the shot clock, if not let it play out and don't foul. This drives me nuts when players don't have the presence of mind to when not to foul.


Here is another one that drives me nuts, the guy is going up for a foul and rather than rake the shit out of him I am going to foul him but not even worry about him getting a shot up on the rim and a possible and 1. In our game vs. MSU Odum fouled someone hard on the fast break and basically he wasn't going to let them get the ball up on the rim and he did a very good job. If you are going to foul the guy then you ought to foul him hard - this is college basketball not some pickup game.

Ok if I think of any others ima post here.... lol
 

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Jason Svoboda said:
I call this the basketball version of football's prevent defense -- only thing you're preventing is yourself winning. SB/BU Game was tied with 35 seconds left and shot clock was off. Why would the defense let the opposing point just stand out top and run the time off? Why wouldn't you challenge him for the 5 second call so you could at least have time left on the clock?

What ended up happening is a foul was called with 2.4 left. So you could have had 8-10 seconds to do something with the ball if you forced them into the offense. Instead of a good look, they ended up heaving a 3/4 court prayer that rimmed out. Makes no sense to me?
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And why do the offensive teams just dribble, dribble, dribble then shoot a 25 ft off-balance fadeaway? Why don't they run the offense?
 
See I hate the lack of Shot-clock lol...as a player on defense it allows you to set-up the time in your head of when the shot will come out...Helps the players out in my opinion
 
Dgreenwell3 said:
See I hate the lack of Shot-clock lol...as a player on defense it allows you to set-up the time in your head of when the shot will come out...Helps the players out in my opinion
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I think it takes some strategy away for the team with lesser talent. On the other hand, the 3 can help a less-talented team compete.
the clock and 3's have changed "traditional" basketball, but I guess they can make it entertaining also.
I'm not the kind of fan that needs a lot of offensive action. I like defense and watching a team work for an open shot.
 

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I think less talented teams can use screens and basketball IQ to make up the difference...I always thought the keep away game was used way too much by the bloomfields of the world. Play the game, don't just hold onto the ball.
 
Dgreenwell3 said:
I think less talented teams can use screens and basketball IQ to make up the difference...I always thought the keep away game was used way too much by the bloomfields of the world. Play the game, don't just hold onto the ball.
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I understand that stalling is boring for the fans. I just don't know why you need to shoot in 35 sec to prevent a team from holding it for 4 minutes. I think there are too many times that a team running a good, effective offense runs out of time with the 35 sec clock. I don't think basketball was invented to force a team to take a bad shot because the fans are bored. I, personally don't get bored if a team works the ball for 50 sec for a good shot against a good defense.
 
lol good efficient offensive teams get good looks in about 20 seconds...check it...unless they are playing the 2005 spurs.
 
Dgreenwell3 said:
lol good efficient offensive teams get good looks in about 20 seconds...check it...unless they are playing the 2005 spurs.
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That might be true a large per cent of the time or if the teams are evenly matched. I've seen some big east teams the last two days that impose a 10 sec rule upon themselves. that way they don't have to play defense and they end up taking a lot of bad shots.

The best ball I've seen was IU in 76 and 77 and I think they may have used more than 35 sec some times. Their offense was a thing of beauty.
 
I am sure sometimes in games it would be useful to have more than 35 seconds...I mean I would say considering the amount of competition these days, I dout it has hurt the game lol
 

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Dgreenwell3 said:
I am sure sometimes in games it would be useful to have more than 35 seconds...I mean I would say considering the amount of competition these days, I dout it has hurt the game lol
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I think it has but that is just personal opinion. We still have a darn good game.
The 3 has made the end of the game for exciting, but it has altered the traditional skillset and strategy of the game and minimized the mid-range J and eliminated the 18 ft J. when used properly, it's fine. But some games start to look more like a game of horse.
 
The rule change i dislike the most would be the the alternating possesion on jump balls. I think this rewards a team for not getting the tip . Why not make a team EARN possesion by actually doing a jump ball the way it was
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
Here is another one that drives me nuts, the guy is going up for a foul and rather than rake the shit out of him I am going to foul him but not even worry about him getting a shot up on the rim and a possible and 1. In our game vs. MSU Odum fouled someone hard on the fast break and basically he wasn't going to let them get the ball up on the rim and he did a very good job. If you are going to foul the guy then you ought to foul him hard - this is college basketball not some pickup game.
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This reminds me of the Creighton game at HC in 09/10. Carl fouled P. Allen, and he made the bucket on the call. KMac came flying off the sideline and screamed, "CARL, if you're going to foul him, PUT HIM ON HIS ASS!"

I can't tell you how much I agree.
 
Daveinth said:
The rule change i dislike the most would be the the alternating possesion on jump balls. I think this rewards a team for not getting the tip . Why not make a team EARN possesion by actually doing a jump ball the way it was
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I like the rule. I don't see why, when there's a held ball, the taller player should get it, which is, theoretically, what a jump does.
 
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