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SycamoreStateofMind said:
I am at the same point - if they want to go then go. But people trying to qualify it or justify it or judge it I just don’t get it.

Won big or not - Tre Williams and Jake were easily the best 4/5 combo we’ve had in a long long time.

We’ve got some other pieces that have entered the portal and that I’m impartial toward they are pieces and replaceable. But just brushing off Tre and Jake is ridiculous. Being shitty toward them for looking out for themselves is almost the equivalent of the people on Twitter sending out hate/death threats to the Ohio State player.
It’s just basketball!
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People here care about Indiana State so it's understandable they don't want to see their alma mater lose lose good players. That's just passionate fandom. Otherwise, you could make the same connection about the game threads.

What that loser did in DMing EJ Liddell is a different level of crazy -- like needing therapy crazy.
 

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SycamoreStateofMind said:
We’re not going to be competitive. You can’t have everything in life... I don’t know where you stood on GL quite frankly doesn’t matter but the only chance we had to be competitive next year was to retain GL.

We will be sub .500 for sure. I think we might win 5 D1 games.
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Yeah, unless he goes out and recruits like 3-4 good grad transfers that can digest and run his system, you have to expect severe growing pains in year 1, especially with the roster turnover. That said, I spent some time going through the Verbal Commits list today and there are some very nice pieces that came from some uptempo teams. Hopefully we're getting in the mix with them.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
People here care about Indiana State so it's understandable they don't want to see their alma mater lose lose good players. That's just passionate fandom. Otherwise, you could make the same connection about the game threads.

What that loser did in DMing EJ Liddell is a different level of crazy -- like needing therapy crazy.
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It’s not understandable to second guess a 20 year old kid who picked a school because he trusted a coach - the coach got a raw deal or at the very least a poorly handled situation and the kids decide to make adult decisions. It’s incredible for me to watch people pick this apart.

I try and put myself in different positions in life - consider different perspectives. I don’t understand a world where anyone would be like good luck - hope you get minutes - what an odd decision - is Lansing helping him...

Of all the above - how about who cares! Why can my you just wish the kid good luck and be really disappointed that it played out this way. This bitterness and frustration that is coming out of this is unnecessary.

It is what it is. You’ve got a new coach - he will find players that want to go to battle with him and I will cheer them on. I won’t cheer Jake or anyone else that leaves on. But hell - I hope Jake becomes an All American, I don’t think he will but I wish him the best and TOTALLY understand why he or anyone else would do what they are doing given the current rules.

Side note... If you hate anything about my post above I encourage to educate yourself and understand how messed up the transfer system is and also understand how power five bias has ruined college basketball. See Ohio. See ORU. See Drake. See Loyola. The mid majors belong in the tournament the entire deal is rigged be mad at someone else.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
We’re not going to be competitive. You can’t have everything in life... I don’t know where you stood on GL quite frankly doesn’t matter but the only chance we had to be competitive next year was to retain GL.

We will be sub .500 for sure. I think we might win 5 D1 games.
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SSOM, I once had an agent like you that thought he had all the answers and in reality he didn’t even know the questions. I’ ll take your 5 game wins challenge 😜
 
Chief_Quabachi said:
SSOM, I once had an agent like you that thought he had all the answers and in reality he didn’t even know the questions. I’ ll take your 5 game wins challenge 😜
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Ha Funny stuff... I just wish I had an agent. I don’t think I have all the answers... I have literally made about 5 basketball related posts on here since all this went down. I didn’t check anyone. I let people have a space to say and do what they wanted.

How about we just put a bookmark on this and let me see what he does with his roster and I will give you a # of wins and you can take the over or under?? Deal??

I’ve got all the answers which is why you should wait for the right answer.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
It’s not understandable to second guess a 20 year old kid who picked a school because he trusted a coach - the coach got a raw deal or at the very least a poorly handled situation and the kids decide to make adult decisions. It’s incredible for me to watch people pick this apart.

I try and put myself in different positions in life - consider different perspectives. I don’t understand a world where anyone would be like good luck - hope you get minutes - what an odd decision - is Lansing helping him...

Of all the above - how about who cares! Why can my you just wish the kid good luck and be really disappointed that it played out this way. This bitterness and frustration that is coming out of this is unnecessary.

It is what it is. You’ve got a new coach - he will find players that want to go to battle with him and I will cheer them on. I won’t cheer Jake or anyone else that leaves on. But hell - I hope Jake becomes an All American, I don’t think he will but I wish him the best and TOTALLY understand why he or anyone else would do what they are doing given the current rules.

Side note... If you hate anything about my post above I encourage to educate yourself and understand how messed up the transfer system is and also understand how power five bias has ruined college basketball. See Ohio. See ORU. See Drake. See Loyola. The mid majors belong in the tournament the entire deal is rigged be mad at someone else.
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I didn't say it was understandable to second guess a player. I said it was understandable at how some posters feel. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Shit can suck for the players AND us fans -- this situation is proof. We can just agree to disagree if you don't believe those two things aren't disjointed.
 

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Jason Svoboda said:
I didn't say it was understandable to second guess a player. I said it was understandable at how some posters feel. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Shit can suck for the players AND us fans -- this situation is proof. We can just agree to disagree if you don't believe those two things aren't disjointed.
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When you are dismissive toward Jake or Tre in a condensing way because you’re pissed it didn’t work out your way - I can’t help you...

I told everyone over 12 months ago if you don’t figure out this coaching situation you will lose everything and everyone. So for people to be upset at the players or shocked by the outcomes is... well... shocking to me.

If you hadn’t prepared yourself as a fan for Jake, Tre and other players leaving - media fallout and alum/donor turnover then you weren’t paying attention.

I am totally okay with a fan being totally demoralized over Jake and Tre leaving - I will join you in that frustration. But you can understand it if you had already prepared yourself for this reality if things played out this way... If you had ignored this possibility then you got to pay better attention.

The word *You applies to anyone reading...
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
Ha Funny stuff... I just wish I had an agent. I don’t think I have all the answers... I have literally made about 5 basketball related posts on here since all this went down. I didn’t check anyone. I let people have a space to say and do what they wanted.

How about we just put a bookmark on this and let me see what he does with his roster and I will give you a # of wins and you can take the over or under?? Deal??

I’ve got all the answers which is why you should wait for the right answer.
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Chief_Quabachi said:
Hell no...5 it is. By the way, we’re you a philosophy major?
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Haha you’re the best. My philosophy teacher at IState didn’t like anyone - but I found a way to make her like me... It was a means to an end - I had to stay eligible.

Was a marketing major but have spent 15 years in healthcare related jobs. Currently a health insurance broker which has some philosophy principles...

5 it is. What you putting on it? Need to ask your agent first?
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
Haha you’re the best. My philosophy teacher at IState didn’t like anyone - but I found a way to make her like me... It was a means to an end - I had to stay eligible.

Was a marketing major but have spent 15 years in healthcare related jobs. Currently a health insurance broker which has some philosophy principles...

5 it is. What you putting on it? Need to ask your agent first?
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I’m not sure where he is anymore. Lordy, I was a marketing major also and retired at age 51 from a multi line insurance company. I’m now 2 months shy of my 77th b’day, so make it easy on yourself because I’ve got more $$$$ than sand remaining in my hour glass...😬
 

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Chief_Quabachi said:
I’m not sure where he is anymore. Lordy, I was a marketing major also and retired at age 51 from a multi line insurance company. I’m now 2 months shy of my 77th b’day, so make it easy on yourself because I’ve got more $$$$ than sand remaining in my hour glass...😬
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hahahah great post. I don’t want to take from someone as seasoned as you. That wouldn’t be right! Sounds like you probably did pretty well for yourself. I enjoy the hell out of what I’m doing right now.

Back to the topic. Did JS Lincoln team win tonight?!
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
hahahah great post. I don’t want to take from someone as seasoned as you. That wouldn’t be right! Sounds like you probably did pretty well for yourself. I enjoy the hell out of what I’m doing right now.

Back to the topic. Did JS Lincoln team win tonight?!
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Oh, bless you. Your compassion is overwhelming. Have no idea re:score....be safe out there SSOM.
 

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SycamoreStateofMind said:
We’re not going to be competitive. You can’t have everything in life... I don’t know where you stood on GL quite frankly doesn’t matter but the only chance we had to be competitive next year was to retain GL.

We will be sub .500 for sure. I think we might win 5 D1 games.
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There you go again Mr. Moderator ....... LANSING AIN'T HERE NO MORE PERIOD!
 
4Q_iu said:
Why are YOU still here? Wasn't the agreement that if/when GL left, YOU'D leave as well??
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Now why would I want to do that? I made no such comment and I am overjoyed he is gone and plan to welcome the new coach with open arms.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
When you are dismissive toward Jake or Tre in a condensing way because you’re pissed it didn’t work out your way - I can’t help you...

I told everyone over 12 months ago if you don’t figure out this coaching situation you will lose everything and everyone. So for people to be upset at the players or shocked by the outcomes is... well... shocking to me.

If you hadn’t prepared yourself as a fan for Jake, Tre and other players leaving - media fallout and alum/donor turnover then you weren’t paying attention.

I am totally okay with a fan being totally demoralized over Jake and Tre leaving - I will join you in that frustration. But you can understand it if you had already prepared yourself for this reality if things played out this way... If you had ignored this possibility then you got to pay better attention.

The word *You applies to anyone reading...
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I don’t really see the gnashing of teeth on this board about the transfers that you are describing.

Jake and Tre have *better* opportunities regardless of the coaching situation. I think most people have been pretty reasonable about losing them.

The other guys in the portal are useful players and ISU would be better off if most of them stayed, but if they go, it won’t make much of a difference.

As you and others have stated, changing coaches was always going to come with some “cracked eggs,” but, honestly, very little of that has to do with losing any individual player, outside of Jake.

The program is about to get a total facelift. It will be harsh in the short-term, but that doesn’t mean the change won’t be worth it. To me, around .500 with GL in 2021-2022 would have felt just as bad as .300 with a new coach.
 
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