Lansing Contract Situation

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HUGE thanks to tennessee for the Lansing quotes.

And great point....who the SOURCES are is a big question....sources claiming Lansing is effectively gone, sources claiming that the Doyel article is having an impact with the "powers that be".
 

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pbutler218 said:
Does anyone even know for sure Lansing won't be back? I recall Clinkscales saying it wouldn't be discussed until AFTER the season. I'm not one to speculate just because some want-to-be sports reporter said it. WHO WAS HIS SOURCE?
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Two things:

1) Jeff Goodman is as reputable a college reporter as there is. He’s not a “want-to-be” by any stretch of the imagination.
2) In the college game, you don’t let a coach’s contract expire unless you know you aren’t bringing him back, simply because you know it damages him so badly in recruiting.
 
Look, I've never been a Lansing "Hater". He's had some nice moments. No doubt the basement level budget and other factors have hurt him/ISU basketball. He has led a clean program and presents I think a good image for the program. He schedules well and recruits well given the limitations.
My issues with Lansing have been about actual coaching, especially things that reoccur over and over again even as different players come and go. We've discussed these way too many times.
But I interacted with someone in Terre Haute a couple weeks ago and they made a couple good points: He does seemed to have actually improved his coaching -- less rigid, better at in-game strategy, fewer weird substitutions, etc. Actually has played some real zone, played a true pressing, frantic, lets try to steal the ball defense --- and not just at the end of game where we're behind and really just trying to foul.
I think this guy had a point.
A few weeks ago this appeared to be slam-dunk ......end of contract, end of coaching at ISU. Winning record last year (although another blow out ending) with some really good young players ???? Well, that clouded the water somewhat. Some ups and downs this year, but with all the pandemic crap plus a very nice winning streak (10-2 ?) last part of the season......hard not to see how this is not so cut and dried. Decision makers now have a tougher question (and each of us would have the same problem if we were truly in that position) -- is Greg Lansing truly a better coach ? If so he probably does deserve a 2-3 year extension. If this is just a short pop and there is no fundamental change in his coaching ability then change should occur.
Hard to know which it is ?
If we play well against Loyola today, but get beat ......well still not clearcut, but might lean toward retention.
If we win today you probably have to retain him ---- win tomorrow and Lansing needs that retention for sure.
Get blown out today ??? Team appears to "give up" --- probably a slam dunk back to lets move on to a new coach.
By 5:00 today ......or certainly 5:00 tomorrow we'll know.
 
Westbadenboy said:
Look, I've never been a Lansing "Hater". He's had some nice moments. No doubt the basement level budget and other factors have hurt him/ISU basketball. He has led a clean program and presents I think a good image for the program. He schedules well and recruits well given the limitations.
My issues with Lansing have been about actual coaching, especially things that reoccur over and over again even as different players come and go. We've discussed these way too many times.
But I interacted with someone in Terre Haute a couple weeks ago and they made a couple good points: He does seemed to have actually improved his coaching -- less rigid, better at in-game strategy, fewer weird substitutions, etc. Actually has played some real zone, played a true pressing, frantic, lets try to steal the ball defense --- and not just at the end of game where we're behind and really just trying to foul.
I think this guy had a point.
A few weeks ago this appeared to be slam-dunk ......end of contract, end of coaching at ISU. Winning record last year (although another blow out ending) with some really good young players ???? Well, that clouded the water somewhat. Some ups and downs this year, but with all the pandemic crap plus a very nice winning streak (10-2 ?) last part of the season......hard not to see how this is not so cut and dried. Decision makers now have a tougher question (and each of us would have the same problem if we were truly in that position) -- is Greg Lansing truly a better coach ? If so he probably does deserve a 2-3 year extension. If this is just a short pop and there is no fundamental change in his coaching ability then change should occur.
Hard to know which it is ?
If we play well against Loyola today, but get beat ......well still not clearcut, but might lean toward retention.
If we win today you probably have to retain him ---- win tomorrow and Lansing needs that retention for sure.
Get blown out today ??? Team appears to "give up" --- probably a slam dunk back to lets move on to a new coach.
By 5:00 today ......or certainly 5:00 tomorrow we'll know.
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Indiana State is on no timetable to announce anything to be quite honest. Lansing's contract expires at the end of the month so what you can likely expect is a press release in the middle of the week towards the end of a business day much like Eastern Illinois did announcing their coach would not be extended.

I'm sure Clink is or already has been working the phones. The bigger hurry is identifying and hiring his replacement to start with re-recruiting players and then start assessment and recruiting going forward.
 

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What I’ve always found strange about this situation is the timing of it. Indiana State started this fundraising campaign they are currently in the middle of because they said they were hurting financially due to Covid, etc. would think if they are truly hurting that bad this would seem to be the worst time to try and make a big change like this.

Seems like the more financially sensible decision would be to roll the contract over and run it back with no raises instead of going out and trying to either A) hire a coach on the cheap or B) bringing in a new staff with an even larger financial commitment to them than what you have to the current staff.

Both seem like bad options in the current climate.

I guess they are probably worried Lansing might do well enough to not be able to get rid of him.
 
Bluethunder said:
What I’ve always found strange about this situation is the timing of it. Indiana State started this fundraising campaign they are currently in the middle of because they said they were hurting financially due to Covid, etc. would think if they are truly hurting that bad this would seem to be the worst time to try and make a big change like this.

Seems like the more financially sensible decision would be to roll the contract over and run it back with no raises instead of going out and trying to either A) hire a coach on the cheap or B) bringing in a new staff with an even larger financial commitment to them than what you have to the current staff.

Both seem like bad options in the current climate.

I guess they are probably worried Lansing might do well enough to not be able to get rid of him.
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If the Varsity Club was running a fundraising campaign, your points could be valid but any campaign to raise funds for the University... seems a bit of a stretch
 
4Q_iu said:
that's one.... and the MBB rivalry is virtually non-existent as we lead the series 90-36. The football series is close enough to make it a "big game"
The rest?

And the OVC has "football issues" as well, Belmont... no football; SIU-Edwardsville... no football; Morehead St... Pioneer Football

As for ill st regarding SIU or Bradley...

UK doesn't consider U'Louisville a rivalry... U.Texas doesn't consider Tx A&M a rivalry at times Gloomington hasn't considered that school in West Lafayette a rivalry
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Well you’re just flat out wrong about UK not seeing UL as a rivalry and 1000% wrong between UT/A&M
 
4Q_iu said:
If the Varsity Club was running a fundraising campaign, your points could be valid but any campaign to raise funds for the University... seems a bit of a stretch
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But isn’t the “Step Up” campaign solely to raise funds for athletics? If so it’s kind of strange to say you need more funding due to the pandemic and then turn around and hire someone for more money than their replacement. You wouldn’t do that in an administrative position like asst AD so why would it make sense to hire a new coach for more money if you are claiming to be so tapped out?
 
If Indiana doesn’t consider Purdue a rival its probably because they haven’t been competitive in years. Most teams in a rivalry are competitive and IU/Purdue hasn’t been for several years.
 

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Bluethunder said:
But isn’t the “Step Up” campaign solely to raise funds for athletics? If so it’s kind of strange to say you need more funding due to the pandemic and then turn around and hire someone for more money than their replacement. You wouldn’t do that in an administrative position like asst AD so why would it make sense to hire a new coach for more money if you are claiming to be so tapped out?
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Hasn't Step Up ended?

I have heard little to nothing about it (but that's become the norm for ISU campaigns I believe)

I know ISU athletics did well during Give To Blue Day this week...

Plus it seems like the University is only interested in raising $$ for football

I'll have to look up Step Up -- again, don't think i've received anything on the topic
 
SycamoreinTexas said:
Well you’re just flat out wrong about UK not seeing UL as a rivalry and 1000% wrong between UT/A&M
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I'll tell you what my friend... EVERY UT alum I know, have worked with considers Oklahoma their RIVAL.
Every A&M alum i've met considers Texas their rival

UK... most will say that reform school in gloomington to be a rival, as well as the peer reform schools in Chapel Hill and Durham

UL fans... they;ll say Kentucky is their rival
 
Bluethunder said:
If Indiana doesn’t consider Purdue a rival its probably because they haven’t been competitive in years. Most teams in a rivalry are competitive and IU/Purdue hasn’t been for several years.
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know PLENTY of gloomington fans that claim kentucky is their rival, of course they make this claim while wearing a irish football jacket or cap or sweatshirt
 
4Q_iu said:
I'll tell you what my friend... EVERY UT alum I know, have worked with considers Oklahoma their RIVAL.
Every A&M alum i've met considers Texas their rival

UK... most will say that reform school in gloomington to be a rival, as well as the peer reform schools in Chapel Hill and Durham

UL fans... they;ll say Kentucky is their rival
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UT fans are still butt hurt A&M left for the SEC
 

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When is the next Board of Trustees meeting? Don’t they have to approve the hiring of a new coach?
And if GL is retained, don’t they have to approve any contract extension?
 
That’s how news got out that coach Waltman wasnt coming back. They discussed it at a trustees meeting and anyone could read it in the minutes.
 
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