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The crowd for southern was smaller than expected. It was about the size we use to get when we would play nobody’s. Coach Lansing really let the program slide and it’s going to take some time to get people to come again.
 

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sycamore tuff said:
The crowd for southern was smaller than expected. It was about the size we use to get when we would play nobody’s. Coach Lansing really let the program slide and it’s going to take some time to get people to come again.
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Stop. That’s absolutely not true. While it was time for a change and it’s been good… We are not rehashing this. He did not let the program slide - literally up to the very end of his tenure here his impact is still being felt in multiple places. He has a recruit playing/starting for a ranked Tennessee team, has a recruit playing in the NBA drafted in the first round for one of the best teams in the league, has a recruit playing/starting for a Duquesne team that beat us with the help of his career high, he has a recruit playing/starting for us that was just named MVC player of the week.

So come on here and say what you want… But if you’re going to spew shit then be prepared to be called out on it.
 
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sycamore tuff said:
The crowd for southern was smaller than expected. It was about the size we use to get when we would play nobody’s. Coach Lansing really let the program slide and it’s going to take some time to get people to come again.
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LOL. When JS has back-to-back winning seasons and takes ISU to the Arch Madness semi’s with NBA Draft picks and All-SEC 1st-2nd team caliber players go ahead and re-post this then. Had ISU kept Lansing ISU would have had a Top 25 team of LaRavia (it’s now public that yes he would have stayed) and Key and Williams and Co. last year.
 
Hooper said:
LOL. When JS has back-to-back winning seasons and takes ISU to the Arch Madness semi’s with NBA Draft picks and All-SEC 1st-2nd team caliber players go ahead and re-post this then. Had ISU kept Lansing ISU would have had a Top 25 team of LaRavia (it’s now public that yes he would have stayed) and Key and Williams and Co. last year.
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He would have had Key last year? On the bench?
 
SycamoreBlue3209 said:
He would have had Key last year? On the bench?
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Honestly… I think we can move on. I’m not sure any of that really matters. This isn’t like an invitation to discuss our glorious past life. Like I said - the move and change has been very good for us thus far. You can actually have both in life… I know odd concept for some folk. You can appreciate the past and the present all in one breath. Amazing.

Let’s all agree while we’re leading the conference… some-how-still to just like not talk about the past. I think I actually started it without realizing it was still an open wound for some folks who are having a hard time still enjoying the present but apparently it’s still a thing!

So Bradley.
 
The problem with Lansing was that he had already reached his peak at ISU. His peak was two 20+ win seasons, a NCAA bid and a couple of NIT bids; all while Odum was here. After that we were constantly fighting to stay out of Thursday and usually finished within a few games, either way, of being .500 on the year. The simple fact is that average seasons don't create excitement around the program, particularly among the casual fans. I thought Lansing was a decent coach for the most part, but he had 7 seasons to get us back to 20 wins again and it just never happened.
 

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Most people never talk about the obvious issue that Lansing had to overcome. He had 3-4 tourney caliber teams in his tenure. The problem……who he had to beat to get there. He had to play a Wichita State team that went undefeated up into tourney. He also had to contend with a Loyola team that went to the Final 4. And let’s not forget those two teams owned the league for 7-8 year span of Lansings time here. Not many mid major coaches have to contend with that. Especially on years in which a 1 bid league has final 4 teams in it.
 
skdent1414 said:
Most people never talk about the obvious issue that Lansing had to overcome. He had 3-4 tourney caliber teams in his tenure. The problem……who he had to beat to get there. He had to play a Wichita State team that went undefeated up into tourney. He also had to contend with a Loyola team that went to the Final 4. And let’s not forget those two teams owned the league for 7-8 year span of Lansings time here. Not many mid major coaches have to contend with that. Especially on years in which a 1 bid league has final 4 teams in it.
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And people refuse to admit how much the commitment flip of Bryant McIntosh played into the Trees' downturn... Lansing would have replaced Odum with "another Odum"

With our budget, the time spent on McIntosh was a legit Negative ROI
 
4Q_iu said:
And people refuse to admit how much the commitment flip of Bryant McIntosh played into the Trees' downturn... Lansing would have replaced Odum with "another Odum"

With our budget, the time spent on McIntosh was a legit Negative ROI
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4Q.......you could not be more correct.....a BIG setback for GL and the program. McIntosh started for Northwestern for 4 years and helped them
get to the NCAA for the first time ever.
 
The McIntosh flip was engineered by a disgruntled ISU parent whose son got his walking papers at the end of the season & the pathetic way Lansing handled it. Not because he was looking to flip.
 

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4Q_iu said:
And people refuse to admit how much the commitment flip of Bryant McIntosh played into the Trees' downturn... Lansing would have replaced Odum with "another Odum"

With our budget, the time spent on McIntosh was a legit Negative ROI
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Turnabout is fair play, right? Lansing did the same thing to Waltman when he flipped Brody Boyd from Dugger. He was coming to ISU, then flipped to Iowa when Lansing went to Iowa.

What goes around comes around.
 
IndyTreeFan said:
Turnabout is fair play, right? Lansing did the same thing to Waltman when he flipped Brody Boyd from Dugger. He was coming to ISU, then flipped to Iowa when Lansing went to Iowa.

What goes around comes around.
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Oh, I didn't realize that an ISU MBB ass't left the ISU program for a job on the Northwestern staff and then an unsigned recruit followed that assistant...

that IS the scenario you're implying with the McIntosh recruitment - correct?

I don't recall Brody ever committing to ISU but that's been a few years -- he DOES admit to following Alford from SW Mo St to Iowa

https://www.thegazette.com/basketba...ed-coach-knight-my-interview-with-brody-boyd/
 
I think I've posted this before, but just to rehash:

- McIntosh had just announced he was reopening his recruitment.
- I was at the Adidas Invitational AAU tournament and his dad came up to me while I was posted up on the wall and had talked to him at prior tournaments.
- He told me it was a difficult decision but Lansing's name was attached to the Drake opening at the time. He showed me back and forth with Lansing and told me how hard of a decision it was but that his son had to look at everything since Lansing was no longer guaranteed to be there his entire career.
- Painter was there to eval him live that day. Collins had just been hired at Northwestern and showed up that day.
- McIntosh went off that day and was offered by Collins.

I later told Lansing about that and he told me the only reason why he was flirting with Drake was to get his assistants more money. At the time, I believe the guys were making like $60k/40k/40k or something trivial like that. They all did get bumps after that.
 
4Q_iu said:
Oh, I didn't realize that an ISU MBB ass't left the ISU program for a job on the Northwestern staff and then an unsigned recruit followed that assistant...

that IS the scenario you're implying with the McIntosh recruitment - correct?

I don't recall Brody ever committing to ISU but that's been a few years -- he DOES admit to following Alford from SW Mo St to Iowa

https://www.thegazette.com/basketba...ed-coach-knight-my-interview-with-brody-boyd/
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Nuance doesn't work well when your only aim in life is to be right...
 

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jben said:
4Q.......you could not be more correct.....a BIG setback for GL and the program. McIntosh started for Northwestern for 4 years and helped them
get to the NCAA for the first time ever.
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LOL...if ya wanna play THIS game, go back to the RON GREENE ERA and ISU's recruitment of NY playground phenom LLOYD DANIELS. Bottom line, if you don't have a backup plan, you're shit out of luck!

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bent20 said:
Um, I can't tell, are we all still cheering for ISU to improve and get better?
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Not everyone apparently. I’ve moved on. If people haven’t they need to figure it out.

But I’m not going to let someone trash the past either without any explanation that is buyable. It wasn’t called for so I addressed it. I will own my part in this discussion being continued here.

I was trying to bring levity to the situation last week when I brought it up - I didn’t realize I was opening a can of worms in doing so. But I did.
 
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