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Ok I started this whole things so let me ring back in....

Just because someone does not agree with the way the situation was handled and are some what passionate about it does not mean they are directly tied to the kid.

I mean I totally disagree with the way the whole thing went down and have stated this time and time again and I don't know the kid. I know people who know him real well and have heard things but I have never talked to the kid directly...

Its amazing to me that this is still an issue some 2 years later. Obliviously it was a controversial decision. Most of the time when things like this happens the information is limited. People don't know the whole story... I think we all have a pretty good idea what really happened here! It was a raw deal strait up. This is not a discussion on whether or not Cole was good enough (I think given the players that was here and the player that filled his scholarship whom is no longer here - that he was good enough). But was this the best decision at the time for the team?

When in doubt create a poll!!!! DO IT!
 

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Josh25 said:
I agree with with Morgan and really think the way things were handled were unfair. I also have never talked to the kid, however I just do not see why everyone has to jump all over me when I speak my mind. The kid got ripped off, thats my opinion. He was came from a good high school that will not even talk with us. Thats the problem.
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I don't want to speak for Proud To Be A Tree, but your responses were very emotionally based. I can see how someone could make the conclusion that you were either Cole himself or related to him.
 
Svoboda said:
I don't want to speak for Proud To Be A Tree, but your responses were very emotionally based. I can see how someone could make the conclusion that you were either Cole himself or related to him.
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Yep. Dude is way too emotional and I'd bet money he is tied to the situation. Normal fans don't react this way. They can call the situation bunk and explain it with logic, but ever post from him seems personal and filled with emotion.
 
Man I see what you all are saying... But it's not fair to judge someone based on how they post. You have know idea who he knows or what he knows. I mean he totally disagrees with the way the situation was handled. I don't think that its fair to assume that he is tied to the situation some how. As far as I know Cole has 2 or 3 brothers none of which are named Josh. Indeed it would not be smart to put your real name as your message board name but... lol

I am just saying just becasue someone gets emotional about their posts does not give you the right to jump to conclusions, even if you are right...
 
Josh25 said:
I agree once again. Just because I feel strongly about something does not mean anything. I stated what I thought was right and wrong. Thats all. Im just saying it was not correct. That does not mean im family to cole. Personally, I enjoyed watching the kid play. Take it or leave it.
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I'll say this - when he was on, he was ON. Unfortunately, he always gave up as many, or more, points than he scored...

Anyone know why Cole isn't playing somewhere? He is certainly good enough to play for Stan over at UIndy or down at Southern Indiana...

:sycamores::sycamores::sycamores:
 
Agreed! But you will find out very quickly if you have not found out yet... That many on here did not enjoy watching Cole play and do not think he was good enough to play at Indiana State. Granted Indiana State has had some really good teams while Cole was here and since he left! :pray:

May God Help You All....

Holmstrom was not the second coming of anyone or anything like that... But I assure you that he could have played for Indiana State last year and I can also assure you that he was better than Tyler Cutter who filled his scholarship(I think).
 

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Pulled all of this out of the recruit thread. In case he or his family finds the site, he shouldn't have to read this stuff.
 
Thanks for moving this thread... I think it's to bad that this is still an issue. But when you talk about bringing a kid from Bloomington to Indiana State I think you have to understand that this all of the sudden becomes a relevant issue.

I mean how amazing is it that 2 years later people still have strong feelings one way or another about how this went down??? We have heard all the arguments that can be made. We all understand it's a businesses and you have to WIN! Some times in life tough decisions have to be made. I believe it was a mistake and don't like the way it was handled. But I have said my two cents on this issue. I'm done. lol righttttttttttttttt.
 

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just a question from right field...lol...

but wasn't the situation with cole also tied to his attitude? i had heard that there was a problem in that regard, that he was told to work on certain things in his game in order to play more and help the team. but that he either didn't do those things or just refused to do those things. also heard he had made comments, in a joking manner, that got back to the coaches which didn't go over very well.

i say again, that was just something that i heard when the whole scholarship deal was going on.

as for the one-year renewable scholarships, svoboda is correct. coaches have the option to pull schollys after one year if a player does not meet certain standards, such as academics, following team rules, attitude, bad seed in the locker room, off the field [or in this case, court] problems, doesn't want to do what the coaches want them to do, etc.

as for the coach at bloomington south, i believe that he is an isu alum. give him time to cool off. i am sure there are fences that need to be mended there. probably somebody will have to run interference for coach mckenna to help speed up the kiss and make up process.

it happens all the time. a few years ago, when i was working in the isu athletic department, holmes was mad that isu wasn't recruiting kids from his school. then they did and all was happy. now he may be mad because of cole's situation. but time heals all wounds [well, a lot of them anyway, lol].

just my two cents worth.
 
TJames said:
it happens all the time. a few years ago, when i was working in the isu athletic department, holmes was mad that isu wasn't recruiting kids from his school. then they did and all was happy. now he may be mad because of cole's situation. but time heals all wounds [well, a lot of them anyway, lol].

just my two cents worth.
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Isn't Holmes always mad about something??? :beat:
 
1) Cole was not a Div. 1 caliber player.......PERIOD
2) Bloomington is not and has NEVER been a feeder system to ISU and NEVER will be. Kante and Cole are the ONLY players that I can think of from B'town.
3) The player may have been over-sold by the H.S. coach to secure a scholarship......feather in coach's cap??
4) Want loyalty?.....do what a Reg. Sales Mgr. told me when I got my first sales managers position..........."get a dog"......and "keep your resume up to date."
5) Time to move on.....for everybody, including Holmes.
 
Ahhh well said... But I have to disagree!

1. Cole was a D1 talent for Indiana State. PERIOD. We were terrible what makes you so sure that he was not good enough to play here? Could he have played for ISU while Menser and Co. was here? Nope. Could have played on this team last year? Yes you can bet your house on it.

2. You don't cut local kids like that. Gives the program a black eye. Rubs people the wrong way... It really does! That is why it's still an issue with people. Why do you think this keeps coming up? Because the kid had a huge fan base? I think not, he was local and he got a raw deal. PERIOD.

3. Bloomington South just had the best team in the state of Indiana that won a state championship. They also were ranked something like #4 in the nation. Now don't you think we should be recruiting from a city just an hour from here that is doing big things? Granted I don't care for the city of Bloomington or the people in it to much myself... But their is no reason we shouldn't be recruiting and wanting kids from that area. When you burn bridges it makes it hard to cross.... Good luck getting kids out of Bloomington.

4. Who filled Cole's scholarship? Was it Tyler Cutter? Am I right about that? Was Tyler Cutter more productive than Cole in his first year as a Sycamore? Was Tyler Cutter ever going to be better than Cole? If you answered No to both of those questions as you should have then you will understand why many are still upset. Who cuts mid level talent to bring in mid level talent? They downgraded.... Makes no sense, if you are going to do it you better bring in someone that is going to be in the program more than a year.

5. Only thing I agree with.... It is indeed time to move on because nothing is going to change this. Because everyone has their mind made up on this issue by now. Nothing I say or you say will change my mind at this point. Some think he was good enough, some don't, some think he should have been cut, some don't....

See this is why I said "righttttttttttttttttttttttt".
 
Morgan said:
4. Who filled Cole's scholarship? Was it Tyler Cutter? Am I right about that? Was Tyler Cutter more productive than Cole in his first year as a Sycamore? Was Tyler Cutter ever going to be better than Cole? If you answered No to both of those questions as you should have then you will understand why many are still upset. Who cuts mid level talent to bring in mid level talent? They downgraded.... Makes no sense, if you are going to do it you better bring in someone that is going to be in the program more than a year.
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Think Little Eddie could answer that.
 

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Morgan, there is NO WAY Cole was good enough to play this last year. Cutter was twice the player Cole was. Tyler had more assists in one game than Cole could get in a year. And Cole could not shoot a lick. He was not good enough to start for Terre Haute South last year. Some say he could go to UIndy or such. He could not play PG for a D3 school and he can't shoot.
 
Morgan said:
Ahhh well said... But I have to disagree!

1. Cole was a D1 talent for Indiana State. PERIOD. We were terrible what makes you so sure that he was not good enough to play here? Could he have played for ISU while Menser and Co. was here? Nope. Could have played on this team last year? Yes you can bet your house on it.

2. You don't cut local kids like that. Gives the program a black eye. Rubs people the wrong way... It really does! That is why it's still an issue with people. Why do you think this keeps coming up? Because the kid had a huge fan base? I think not, he was local and he got a raw deal. PERIOD.

3. Bloomington South just had the best team in the state of Indiana that won a state championship. They also were ranked something like #4 in the nation. Now don't you think we should be recruiting from a city just an hour from here that is doing big things? Granted I don't care for the city of Bloomington or the people in it to much myself... But their is no reason we shouldn't be recruiting and wanting kids from that area. When you burn bridges it makes it hard to cross.... Good luck getting kids out of Bloomington.

4. Who filled Cole's scholarship? Was it Tyler Cutter? Am I right about that? Was Tyler Cutter more productive than Cole in his first year as a Sycamore? Was Tyler Cutter ever going to be better than Cole? If you answered No to both of those questions as you should have then you will understand why many are still upset. Who cuts mid level talent to bring in mid level talent? They downgraded.... Makes no sense, if you are going to do it you better bring in someone that is going to be in the program more than a year.

5. Only thing I agree with.... It is indeed time to move on because nothing is going to change this. Because everyone has their mind made up on this issue by now. Nothing I say or you say will change my mind at this point. Some think he was good enough, some don't, some think he should have been cut, some don't....

See this is why I said "righttttttttttttttttttttttt".
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This subject just never goes away!!! In my opinion, Cole was not good enough to play for Indiana State last year, this year, or next year. That's all I'm going to say on that.

However, I think Cole's scholarship went to Lathan and if that is the case, we really made out.
 
Morgan said:
Ahhh well said... But I have to disagree!

1. Cole was a D1 talent for Indiana State. PERIOD. We were terrible what makes you so sure that he was not good enough to play here? Could he have played for ISU while Menser and Co. was here? Nope. Could have played on this team last year? Yes you can bet your house on it.

2. You don't cut local kids like that. Gives the program a black eye. Rubs people the wrong way... It really does! That is why it's still an issue with people. Why do you think this keeps coming up? Because the kid had a huge fan base? I think not, he was local and he got a raw deal. PERIOD.

3. Bloomington South just had the best team in the state of Indiana that won a state championship. They also were ranked something like #4 in the nation. Now don't you think we should be recruiting from a city just an hour from here that is doing big things? Granted I don't care for the city of Bloomington or the people in it to much myself... But their is no reason we shouldn't be recruiting and wanting kids from that area. When you burn bridges it makes it hard to cross.... Good luck getting kids out of Bloomington.

4. Who filled Cole's scholarship? Was it Tyler Cutter? Am I right about that? Was Tyler Cutter more productive than Cole in his first year as a Sycamore? Was Tyler Cutter ever going to be better than Cole? If you answered No to both of those questions as you should have then you will understand why many are still upset. Who cuts mid level talent to bring in mid level talent? They downgraded.... Makes no sense, if you are going to do it you better bring in someone that is going to be in the program more than a year.

5. Only thing I agree with.... It is indeed time to move on because nothing is going to change this. Because everyone has their mind made up on this issue by now. Nothing I say or you say will change my mind at this point. Some think he was good enough, some don't, some think he should have been cut, some don't....

See this is why I said "righttttttttttttttttttttttt".
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I had commented on this situation when it first happened, and wasn't going to chime back in until now. TJames had a good point. There were some other issues with Cole that were behind his dismissal, and attitude was one. Re-read his article in the Trib Star and all he does is blame everyone else for his difficiencies. All he wanted to do was play in a motion offense, and not adjust to McKenna's.

As for you Morgan, I am a bit surprised you are defending Cole this staunchly(spelling?). Aren't you the one who has been all over Printy, Cutter and Carter? The one thing those three had over Cole was they could defend. Could Cole have played last year, yes. But, if he was told to work on things, and had a bad attitude, he wasn't what we needed to take this program to the next level. The talent infusion McKenna has been able to bring in to ISU in the last year and a half is a great start. All good leaders have to make tough decisions, and decisions that are not popular. However, if they are making these decisions for the betterment of their cause, and for what they believe will make their situation better, than have courage to go against popular opinion. Having said all this, I too would like to know the whole story behind this. Morgan, you seem to have your finger on the pulse of the high school basketball scene in the area. Do you think time will heal the wounds here like TJames does?
 
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