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I know we're not supposed to talk about next year, but I found it interesting that Old Dominion (last year's winner of the CIS tournament) did pretty well in this year's NCAA tournament. Those lesser tournaments can set you up for better days to come.
 
bent20 said:
I know we're not supposed to talk about next year, but I found it interesting that Old Dominion (last year's winner of the CIS tournament) did pretty well in this year's NCAA tournament. Those lesser tournaments can set you up for better days to come.
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Precisely why there are few if any reasons to decline a post-season bid; more practice time, at least 1 more game, more exposure, additional recruiting/marketing opportunities
 
Exposure? More Practice Time? What are we talking about another week of practice? Come on you guys have got to be kidding me on this, where do you get this stuff?

It's a mid level tourney that proves nothing, it does not elevate the program to any other level. We were not good enough to make the NCAA or the NIT, enough said. We had all season to prove we belonged and were not able to do so.

Those of you who suggested that maybe an extra game or two would make Jake Kelly eligible had a very valid argument. But to suggest that more practice time and what not are not viable reasons in my mind. I mean that's great we get more practice time with guys who are about to graduate - your careers are over now, time to move on.

I think it's time to talk about next year and move past this silly concept of it being a step in the right direction playing in the CIB "Who's the best of middle tier" college basketball teams...
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
Exposure? More Practice Time? What are we talking about another week of practice? Come on you guys have got to be kidding me on this, where do you get this stuff?

It's a mid level tourney that proves nothing, it does not elevate the program to any other level. We were not good enough to make the NCAA or the NIT, enough said. We had all season to prove we belonged and were not able to do so.

Those of you who suggested that maybe an extra game or two would make Jake Kelly eligible had a very valid argument. But to suggest that more practice time and what not are not viable reasons in my mind. I mean that's great we get more practice time with guys who are about to graduate - your careers are over now, time to move on.

I think it's time to talk about next year and move past this silly concept of it being a step in the right direction playing in the CIB "Who's the best of middle tier" college basketball teams...
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And if we're not 33-1, don't talk to me...nothing is as good as that...
 
IndyTreeFan said:
And if we're not 33-1, don't talk to me...nothing is as good as that...
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33-1? I don't follow you? I am not being negative toward Indiana State, I think anything other than the NIT or NCAA is silly... I mean I guess if they are going to continue to have those tourney's then you might as well play in them if you are not good enough to play in the Big Dance - more power to you I guess. But I refuse to accept that as the standard and try and make a huge positive. My point is simple, I was happy with the winning record I think that was enough of a step in the right direction to be excited about moving forward. This CIB was nothing for me to get excited about, I refuse to let the CIB the standard for a program's regression or progression. Fair?
 

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I've got mixed feeling about these tourneys. I don't believe we get any exposure from playing in the CBI. I mean really, how many people were watching hdnet during that game. How many that were watching were SLU fans and ISU fans? 90% would be my guess. On the other side if the players and coaches want to play, I say more power to them. Why not? That's all it comes down to for me.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
Exposure? More Practice Time? What are we talking about another week of practice? Come on you guys have got to be kidding me on this, where do you get this stuff?

It's a mid level tourney that proves nothing, it does not elevate the program to any other level. We were not good enough to make the NCAA or the NIT, enough said. We had all season to prove we belonged and were not able to do so.

Those of you who suggested that maybe an extra game or two would make Jake Kelly eligible had a very valid argument. But to suggest that more practice time and what not are not viable reasons in my mind. I mean that's great we get more practice time with guys who are about to graduate - your careers are over now, time to move on.

I think it's time to talk about next year and move past this silly concept of it being a step in the right direction playing in the CIB "Who's the best of middle tier" college basketball teams...
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lol I realized after posting I was talking about the wrong thread
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
33-1? I don't follow you? I am not being negative toward Indiana State, I think anything other than the NIT or NCAA is silly... I mean I guess if they are going to continue to have those tourney's then you might as well play in them if you are not good enough to play in the Big Dance - more power to you I guess. But I refuse to accept that as the standard and try and make a huge positive. My point is simple, I was happy with the winning record I think that was enough of a step in the right direction to be excited about moving forward. This CIB was nothing for me to get excited about, I refuse to let the CIB the standard for a program's regression or progression. Fair?
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I was just being a smart-alek. I feel that any postseason for us is a step forward, simply because it is a tangible reward for the progress the program is making. I understand your point about NCAA/NIT, I just don't necessarily agree. If I'm a Creighton fan, I wouldn't be terribly excited about the CIT (probably disappointed, frankly). But, since I'm an ISU fan, I was excited because we are making progress. CBI every year? Yeah, that would get old real quick. But for now, I think we should be proud that someone took notice of our program's improvement...
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
Exposure? More Practice Time? What are we talking about another week of practice? Come on you guys have got to be kidding me on this, where do you get this stuff?

It's a mid level tourney that proves nothing, it does not elevate the program to any other level. We were not good enough to make the NCAA or the NIT, enough said. We had all season to prove we belonged and were not able to do so.

Those of you who suggested that maybe an extra game or two would make Jake Kelly eligible had a very valid argument. But to suggest that more practice time and what not are not viable reasons in my mind. I mean that's great we get more practice time with guys who are about to graduate - your careers are over now, time to move on.

I think it's time to talk about next year and move past this silly concept of it being a step in the right direction playing in the CIB "Who's the best of middle tier" college basketball teams...
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Considering we have played in any post-season in 10 years; yes, the CBI was a step in the right direction. Practice time, no - I'm not concerned with playing time for Reed, Crawford and the rest but for the Jr, Sophs, Frosh and RS-Frosh. Had we won in St Louis, we'd have played another game after more practice time.

Exposure -- while their streak is broken, did Michigan football play in a bowl game for 25-27 consecutive years?? Were they all Rose Bowls or BCS Bowls? No -- Do recruits know that Michigan played in 25 CONSECUTIVE Bowl Games?
You bet your :censored: they do!

Am I satisfied with our appearance in the CBI? Hell no but I also know that we have appeared in 21 post-season tournaments in 112 years of MBB, (that is 1 every 5.3 seasons; we have 1 National title and 4 National Finalists / Runner-ups; we have appeared in 7 National tournament 'final fours,' our MBB represented this nation in an international tournament (and brought back gold). I think we're in the Top 50-75 of MBB programs (in terms of wins)

It's a step and if we make the NCAA or NIT season; maybe, just maybe those extra practices and game play a role -- MAYBE we'll get another crack at the Billikens?


http://collegefootball.about.com/gi...efootball&zu=http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/
 
I think the experience would have been more valuable for the team if they'd won a few games. The experience of winning in a tournament can help build confidence.
 

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4Q you presented a worthy argument and I appreciate your posts and opinions. But in all fairness you will NEVER be able to tie any success we have next year to a few extra post season practices and a one and done in the CIB, sorry I just can't buy that.

Do you really think (especially now knowing the outcome) that the CIB actually did Indiana State University any good? I mean be honest, not overly positive, just honest?

I mean because an honest man would look at what happened to us in that game and look at the teams that were in the CIB (a bunch of ok teams) and go man that really was not a very good outcome. I am on boat!!!! (funny song) and that boat is one that wouldn't have CIB, DIG, RFW tourney's in the first place. Like I said before, NCAA and NIT and leave it at that. If you are not good enough to make the Big Dance or the NIT (for those bubble teams that were good enough) then your season is OVER! If you are a SR. move on with your career, if you got eligibility left then start getting mentally prepared and physically prepared for the grind that is college basketball (like I would really know from experience) next season.

I mean not only did we lose to Slew, I felt like we got it handed to us pretty darn good from the tip....
 
Morgan said:
4Q you presented a worthy argument and I appreciate your posts and opinions. But in all fairness you will NEVER be able to tie any success we have next year to a few extra post season practices and a one and done in the CIB, sorry I just can't buy that.

Do you really think (especially now knowing the outcome) that the CIB actually did Indiana State University any good? I mean be honest, not overly positive, just honest?

I mean because an honest man would look at what happened to us in that game and look at the teams that were in the CIB (a bunch of ok teams) and go man that really was not a very good outcome. I am on boat!!!! (funny song) and that boat is one that wouldn't have CIB, DIG, RFW tourney's in the first place. Like I said before, NCAA and NIT and leave it at that. If you are not good enough to make the Big Dance or the NIT (for those bubble teams that were good enough) then your season is OVER! If you are a SR. move on with your career, if you got eligibility left then start getting mentally prepared and physically prepared for the grind that is college basketball (like I would really know from experience) next season.

I mean not only did we lose to Slew, I felt like we got it handed to us pretty darn good from the tip....
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And if we were still playing?? You're going to tell me that 5-6 additional games AND practices wouldn't help next season?!

'Cause there are teams that make deep runs annually in the NCAA and NIT BECAUSE they made deep runs the year before.

Different sport but do you care/follow the NON-BCS Bowl Games?
 
This does look better than "none."

2007–2008 Indiana State 15-16 8-10 T-7th None
2008–2009 Indiana State 11-21 7-11 9th None
2009–2010 Indiana State 17-15 9-9 T-5th CBI First Round
 

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4Q_iu said:
Different sport but do you care/follow the NON-BCS Bowl Games?
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Well yeah because their is this thing called fantasy sports and it's amazing what it has done to the world of sports as we know it today.... lol So yeah I do follow those games.

Non-BCS bowl games are like a national championship for each of those teams, I could argue that they carry much more weight than a CIB tourney game. I mean look at the payouts for winning those bowl games, pretty attractive. Not the case if you win a CIB tourney game, see my point or do you want to keep going with this?

"IF" we were still playing then maybe, but once again what does it prove? Oh sweet we can hang a CIB banner, bla bla - who gives a rats. I mean we beat the likes of a bunch of teams with a comparable record.

THIS IS NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING [/B AWAY FROM THE SEASON WE HAD. I am really happy with the way the Sycamores played and with the job the coaching staff did. I would give them a B to a B+ for this season as a whole.
 
Morgan said:
4Q you presented a worthy argument and I appreciate your posts and opinions. But in all fairness you will NEVER be able to tie any success we have next year to a few extra post season practices and a one and done in the CIB, sorry I just can't buy that.

Do you really think (especially now knowing the outcome) that the CIB actually did Indiana State University any good? I mean be honest, not overly positive, just honest?

I mean because an honest man would look at what happened to us in that game and look at the teams that were in the CIB (a bunch of ok teams) and go man that really was not a very good outcome. I am on boat!!!! (funny song) and that boat is one that wouldn't have CIB, DIG, RFW tourney's in the first place. Like I said before, NCAA and NIT and leave it at that. If you are not good enough to make the Big Dance or the NIT (for those bubble teams that were good enough) then your season is OVER! If you are a SR. move on with your career, if you got eligibility left then start getting mentally prepared and physically prepared for the grind that is college basketball (like I would really know from experience) next season.

I mean not only did we lose to Slew, I felt like we got it handed to us pretty darn good from the tip....
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I do think the experience is valuable because there is nothing like learning about a game that's if you lose you are done and you are competing on an equal playing field....
 
Thanks...

Bent20, dgreenwell3...

Morgan,

We'll just have to disagree to agree; I had to use the non-BCS Bowl Game because they're approximately the same;

for the college fan today it looks like this:

BCS Bowl Game = NCAA
old, tradition laden bowl game (Cotton, Holiday, Liberty, Peach (sorry Chik-Fil-A), Citrus, etc, etc, etc = NIT
lowest tier bowl (Mobile, Motor City, Int'l, Independence) = CBI or CIT

ANY post-season is better than NO post-season; we didn't host, so how much did we spend for another trip to StL? Same price as a road game?
Won't NoIowa's Sweet 16 appearance more than offset it?

Will the Valley pool all of the $$$ for the NCAA, NIT, CBI and CIT teams (6 total) and divide by 10?!
 
It's not a bad example - but don't act like I didn't present a valid point. You can't just dismiss what I was saying like it didn't hold any substance. I think people are more apt to follow those college bowl games for the reason I listed. I mean they still have story lines because those games are played like National Championships no matter what - in hoops even the NIT is not treated like a National Championship because of the lack of luster that it holds. None of this is to suggest that I am pro the bowl championship concept, however I think those games hold more relevance because of the amount of money changing hands. I mean every one of those games is nationally televised, that is not the case in college basketball - again let's talk about exposure.

Look I see where you all are coming from and you all have been defending your point even before we got throttled in the CIB and I respect what you all have to say. I just aint really buying it I guess, it doesn't really like eat me up that they played in the CIB or anything. I just think the whole concept is silly and I have trouble finding any satisfaction in playing in a lesser tourney than the Big Dance.

I wanna feel like Northern Iowa fans feel right now, I want to feel that for my Sycamores and if that means we got to play in the CIB before that can happen then fine I will wait. But never will a day come that the CIB is the standard or a pre requisite if you will for a mid major in determining success in the NCAA tourney, it won't ever happen that way.
 
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