So who is coming back and who's leaving

[dino]

Did you watch him play? So far, nobody but me has described his strengths and weaknesses and the opinions being expressed are from ignorance.

If you do watch him play, note his quickness, jump and handle.

Am I the only guy that researches our recruits on Youtube? I would certainly welcome differing opinions of someone that has actually watched him play a game.

I try to watch but I can’t promise I pay attention the whole time. I just wonder if you’ve watched some bad games and that’s what your impression of him is based on. You wouldn’t want to show somebody Brenton Scott’s final game as a sycamore and try to convince them he had a decent college

Schertz recruited a dude gaining attention of NBA scouts. That part seems to be a fact. There’s no doubt he’s trying to ball out and prove what he can do. Very hard to believe he wasn’t recruited to be a centerpiece by many D1 schools.
When I’ve watched his games I see a grown man who seems composed. He’s a playmaker and can créate his own shot. He can punish defenses with his passing abilities.
I saw him make bad passes and take some deep threes too that surely will get peoples blood boiling. Maybe too flashy with his passes but had some athletic d2 teammates who could throw it down. Feels like a player who makes everybody better.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

I'm not sure why you guys are even arguing this much over Gibson.

You guys are arguing as if he was recruited to come in and be a star player for us. He was recruited (IMO) to be a culture setter. To play smarter basketball and to give max effort in hopes the move up gives him more tape and solidifies his pro prospects, whatever those may be.

All we need him to do is get to the right spots within the flow of the offense, make the smart play when he has the ball, and hit his portion of the open shots. If that manifests into a 6-10ppg, 3-5apg, 3-5rpg type of guy while protecting the basketball, I'll take that all day long.

 

[dino]

I'm not sure why you guys are even arguing this much over Gibson.

You guys are arguing as if he was recruited to come in and be a star player for us. He was recruited (IMO) to be a culture setter. To play smarter basketball and to give max effort in hopes the move up gives him more tape and solidifies his pro prospects, whatever those may be.

All we need him to do is get to the right spots within the flow of the offense, make the smart play when he has the ball, and hit his portion of the open shots. If that manifests into a 6-10ppg, 3-5apg, 3-5rpg type of guy while protecting the basketball, I'll take that all day long.

I’ll stop. Just thought it was weird for somebody to fan the flame on his potential after watching a couple videos. Lot of evidence out there that he’s got the right tools on and off the court. I think he could be a star but I’m hopelessly optimistic. Feels like this team is loaded and Gibson could be a huge part of their success. I’m just trying to speak it into existence. Historically speaking, mvc teams with nba-ish caliber players are usually pretty good. You can add the isu teams with laravia on them to the recent list of examples.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

I’ll stop. Just thought it was weird for somebody to fan the flame on his potential after watching a couple videos. Lot of evidence out there that he’s got the right tools on and off the court. I think he could be a star but I’m hopelessly optimistic. Feels like this team is loaded and Gibson could be a huge part of their success. I’m just trying to speak it into existence. Historically speaking, mvc teams with nba-ish caliber players are usually pretty good. You can add the isu teams with laravia on them to the recent list of examples.

Yeah, it is definitely weird the large swing in evaluations between the NBA site dude and our resident analyst.

All I'm saying is we don't need him to be Mr. Right, just Mr. Right Now. Can he get Cam, Neese, Vos into good shots without turning it over? Yeah? That's all I want.

 

[Bluethunder]

Am I the only guy that researches our recruits on Youtube?

while I haven’t spoken to everyone on the board personally, I’m going to answer this question with a “yes” and feel pretty confident with that answer.

 

[dino]

I don’t think it’s too far fetched to think this team will win the mvc regular season and arch madness. They’ll likely be ranked #22 in the country before selection Sunday. Isu will take out seton hall as the #10 seed before losing to #2 Arkansas in the round of 32. Sycamore fans will claim the team is better than Kentucky using the transitive property. That’ not too much to ask.

 

[CardLake49]

Yes - I am wanting more people to put their SycamorePride life on the line when they make certain statements - I think it would be so much more fun and would require people to actually think before they said something on here!

But just so we're clear - you don't think Neese is going to start 5 games this season? I tell you what... I will go all SSOM for you - I will take the over on 5 games and I will leave if it doesn't happen. (Serious injury doesn't count either...)

So I've got Cobie Barnes and Cooper Neese prop bets in play. Nice. Someone needs to give me more prop bets like this rather quickly - maybe we can have a prop bet thread where you put your entire username on the line. I'm thinking about also putting my line on JS actually getting a technical foul this year - he's rather chill but I'm thinking about taking the over on 1 technical foul.

LOL thought that was you! Have to admit I wish I could say what I just said with my chest like you. Just don't have enough info to go there.

That being said, that's exactly what I think. Neese won't start 5 games. A week or so ago I told my buddies he won't start any games this year. Not 1. Maybe I got caught up in the moment after all the signings. And I really like Coop. Always have. I'm just looking at where he is a plus, what he is willing to do, what we need, and projecting ahead based on our current roster. The only area that I see him as a plus is shooting the dadgum ball. He's not a plus ball handler, decision maker, play maker, defender, rebounder. If I thought he would shoot the rock like he was at Cloverdale then I'd project him as a starter. But since I've watched him pump fake a million times in a Sycamore uni, I fully expect him to do that going foward. Thus I don't think he'll start.

 

[SycamoreBlue3209]

LOL thought that was you! Have to admit I wish I could say what I just said with my chest like you. Just don't have enough info to go there.

That being said, that's exactly what I think. Neese won't start 5 games. A week or so ago I told my buddies he won't start any games this year. Not 1. Maybe I got caught up in the moment after all the signings. And I really like Coop. Always have. I'm just looking at where he is a plus, what he is willing to do, what we need, and projecting ahead based on our current roster. The only area that I see him as a plus is shooting the dadgum ball. He's not a plus ball handler, decision maker, play maker, defender, rebounder. If I thought he would shoot the rock like he was at Cloverdale then I'd project him as a starter. But since I've watched him pump fake a million times in a Sycamore uni, I fully expect him to do that going foward. Thus I don't think he'll start.

I’m good for a $100 to CardLake if Cooper Neese doesn’t start 5 games this year. Who’s with me?

If Cooper is healthy and doesn’t start 5 games this year… we will have a hell of a team to have him coming off our bench.

 

[sycamorebacker]

Martin could if he is the #3 PG. We'll need to see if Gibson is good enough to be Larry's backup.

I'm going to take this back. I forgot about Miller. I think that guy can play.

It's also possible Gibson can see wing time, but I think McCauley is going to be hard to beat for minutes.
We know Henry has locked up one perimeter spot. That leaves 2-3 more with several candidates, so I feel pretty good we'll have guys to fill the spots.
I like experience and having 6 SRs should be a real plus.

 

[Huff77]

I’m good for a $100 to CardLake if Cooper Neese doesn’t start 5 games this year. Who’s with me?

If Cooper is healthy and doesn’t start 5 games this year… we will have a hell of a team to have him coming off our bench.

I already owe Cardlake 2 dinners.
He and I have been mulling over whether or not a certain off year Mr. Basketball sitting the bench in Gloomington could help this team or not.

 

[sycamorebacker]

I just wonder if you’ve watched some bad games and that’s what your impression of him is based on. You wouldn’t want to show somebody Brenton Scott’s final game as a sycamore and try to convince them he had a decent college

That may be possible. The guy has got great career stats. It could also be that he was playing with an injury.

From what I saw, I would compare him stat-wise with Bledson or Larry, BUT that is not a bad thing if it works out that way. Gibson has the ability to play with maturity and can pass very well, like Bledson.
I think we need some new guys like him. I'm not totally convinced Neese is fully committed and really has his head in the game. It seems like he should have been more consistent from game to game and he needs to play smarter.

 

[sycamorebacker]

I already owe Cardlake 2 dinners.
He and I have been mulling over whether or not a certain off year Mr. Basketball sitting the bench in Gloomington could help this team or not.

Are you talking about Leal?

 

[Huff77]

I'm not totally convinced Neese is fully committed and really has his head in the game.

I am 100% in agreement with this. I believe he believes he is 100% committed, but...

 

[dino]

3-4 starter caliber players will be coming off the bench every game. That’s the kind of depth that the best valley teams have. Surely there will be plenty of lineup combinations so everybody can earn a start here and there by competing in practice. How players deal with not starting will likely be a huge factor. Winning will make it easier.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

I’m good for a $100 to CardLake if Cooper Neese doesn’t start 5 games this year. Who’s with me?

If Cooper is healthy and doesn’t start 5 games this year… we will have a hell of a team to have him coming off our bench.

I’m good for $100 + I’m leaving the forum if he doesn’t start 5 games.

And you guys questioning Cooper Neese who I literally have zero bias toward are fucking hilarious. Go look at any post in history about him that I’ve ever made - no bias.

Key leaves and we question his motives.

Cooper comes here after transferring from Butler. Has productive years on shitty ass teams. Stays.

And you ass hats question his dedication. Stop. Already. You literally have a kid that is Sycamore through and through and you don’t think he’s about that life. Willing to bet your only online life that exists on him stating 5 games on an 11 win team.

This forum has gotten silly. You all have lost your GD mind. You will never be happy with anything if you question Cooper Neese. He has done his time - he has done a hell of a job for us.

 

[treeman]

Things I've read on sycamorepride today:

1. Neese isn't starting 5 games this season.
2. Gibson has Neese's handles, Larry's shot, and Bledson's athletic ability. (I believe that creates the worst player in D1 history)
3. Mervis is in the portal

what a day

 

[Huff77]

Are you talking about Leal?

I am...and full disclaimer, my wife is somehow related to him so I have a bias. Kid is super intelligent and can flat out ball when he's not having his confidence destroyed by the cream and crimson.

 

[IndyTreeFan]

I’m good for $100 + I’m leaving the forum if he doesn’t start 5 games.

And you guys questioning Cooper Neese who I literally have zero bias toward are fucking hilarious. Go look at any post in history about him that I’ve ever made - no bias.

Key leaves and we question his motives.

Cooper comes here after transferring from Butler. Has productive years on shitty ass teams. Stays.

And you ass hats question his dedication. Stop. Already. You literally have a kid that is Sycamore through and through and you don’t think he’s about that life. Willing to bet your only online life that exists on him stating 5 games on an 11 win team.

This forum has gotten silly. You all have lost your GD mind. You will never be happy with anything if you question Cooper Neese. He has done his time - he has done a hell of a job for us.

I would say Cooper has probably come as close to maxing out his ability as anyone I’ve seen at State in years. He’s not blessed with crap tons in athletic ability, he’s not a great passer, and his shot is streaky. But damn, the boy PLAYS. He leaves it all out there. So I get what guys are saying when they wonder if he’s “all in,” but after watching him last year, I think you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. And maybe by NOT being our Option #1, it will open up his game and he can be that dagger guy, giving him a tremendous ending to his career in blue.

But as the great Tates Locke told us in class, starting only means something to mothers and girlfriends. Whatever his role, I expect Coop will leave it all on the floor.

 

[Huff77]

I’m good for $100 + I’m leaving the forum if he doesn’t start 5 games.

And you guys questioning Cooper Neese who I literally have zero bias toward are fucking hilarious. Go look at any post in history about him that I’ve ever made - no bias.

Key leaves and we question his motives.

Cooper comes here after transferring from Butler. Has productive years on shitty ass teams. Stays.

And you ass hats question his dedication. Stop. Already. You literally have a kid that is Sycamore through and through and you don’t think he’s about that life. Willing to bet your only online life that exists on him stating 5 games on an 11 win team.

This forum has gotten silly. You all have lost your GD mind. You will never be happy with anything if you question Cooper Neese. He has done his time - he has done a hell of a job for us.

I feel like you are assuming our commitment and dedication ratings for Cooper are 0/10. I rate Cooper as 10/10 dedicated to ISU and 7/10 committed to basketball. I think he was a 10 when he got here, but sometimes life happens.

 

[Huff77]

I feel like you are assuming our commitment and dedication ratings for Cooper are 0/10. I rate Cooper as 10/10 dedicated to ISU and 7/10 committed to basketball. I think he was a 10 when he got here, but sometimes life happens.

Of course, now that I am thinking about it...he did avg like 135 minutes a game last year...so maybe I was just watching Cooper carry the burden of 3142 people on his shoulders all year.