some inside baseball stuff...but the new isu football press guide looks great...

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as a former sports information person at isu.....i must take time out to say that this year's 2009 football gruide looks outstanding.....ace hunt and his crew did a very good job with it....

i looked at it online last night.....the artwork and design was top-notch......great pictures..if you guys get a chance to obtain one, i'd recommend that you do it...or at least look at it online at gosycamores.com.

big time kudos to ace and his people. i know how tough it is to produce high quality stuff with the limitations, budget-wise, sports information offices are always under. but this one is a keeper.

and, as an aside, i hope they enter the press guide in the College Sports Information Directors (CoSida) annual press guide contest. it deserves mention. it's that good. we won several CoSida awards when i was at isu. but this one surpasses those.
 

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The media guide is excellent, and the graphics are great. They say it is their "green" guide, so are they not printing copies of it?

There is also a good article on Donye McCleskey and the secondary in the Tribstar today http://www.tribstar.com/sports/local_story_203225012.html?keyword=topstory

The secondary should be good this year, and it seems like they've developed some good chemistry. There are also several talented kids coming in this year in the secondary that should see some time.
 
from what i understand....

the media guide will only be available online....a lot of schools are going that way....so are most of the nfl, nba and major league baseball teams.....in an effort to save money on printing costs....i know the colts are going that way too.....most, if not all, of the nfl teams are putting their press guides on a cd....and giving them only to key members of the media.....
 
Doesn't this kill a potential revenue stream? Will they still have them for sale for those that want a hard copy? I understand printing costs can be high, but you can tailor your orders to how many you sold from the previous year.
 
they may print up a small amount....but i think all or most of the mvc schools....

are doing it...in a cost-cutting measure.....i know it had been discussed before...during the summer sports information directors meeting...everybody's budgets have been trimmed due to the economy...so it wouldn't surprise me if they cut the printed ones way down....
 

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like i said before....if pro teams are doing it.....

and they are...it doesnt surprise me that colleges will be doing it...where the printing budgets are a lot smaller.....
 
Tom, you talk about thinking "outside of the box" all of the time, but most of your come backs are "Well X, Y and Z are doing it" -- Well, what thinking outside of the box is going on exactly? My point was simply that they're killing off a potential revenue stream if they went 100% paperless, which would be a bad decision. For a program that has extremely limited revenues, you need to bring in as much cash as possible -- not eliminate potential revenue streams.

It's 2009 -- you can develop business models that work efficiently if the effort into it. How about taking pre-orders via the GoSycamores.com website and then only printing a small margin over that number -- this way you still offer the product, can have that income and do so where you don't lose your shirt by overprinting the guides.

If you're telling the guides never made a profit for the University, I'm going to point to someone that doesn't understand simple math and probably should be in another line of work. Work smarter, not harder.
 
Doesn't this kill a potential revenue stream? Will they still have them for sale for those that want a hard copy? I understand printing costs can be high, but you can tailor your orders to how many you sold from the previous year.

As nice as these are I would think they could sell a few. I would buy one just to save my self from burning through an ink cartridge on my printer. Not to mention buying the paper stock needed as well.

:sycamores:
 
Jason usually the cost is in the initial set up therefore it would be cheaper per Guide to print them up by mass production . The Fewer you print the more per Guide it cost.
 
and in case anybody has forgotten.....

i worked as the assistant sports information director at indiana state....i wrote press guides...won something like five CoSida national and regional awards for my publications....so i think that i know a little bit about the goings on in that line of work.....

first of all, it's a national thing....just like when i was the football sid and the ncaa passed a resolution that limited the number of pages and the size of media guides....they did that for economy reasons and to try to stem the tide of the press guides wars that were going on with schools like notre dame, michigan, usc, etc....they were putting out 200-300 page press guides every year for football....lol......

it wasnt isu deciding...well, we're gonna limit the size and number of pages in our press guides....it was an ncaa decision....

and like i said, most schools around the country are going to the online press guides or putting their entire press guides on cds......

the pro teams are doing it too......heck, like i said, the colts are doing it....all because of money/budget issues....

yes, schools and pro team will still probably print a limited number of press guides..as isu most likely will as well....but they won't be available in the quantity as they have been in the past....

now, as a sports writer who covers the national football league on a regular basis, i see it there too....schools and pro teams across the country are doing it due to the economy.....

i work in the media real world...like i said...i see it all the time.....some nfl teams have taken their record sections completely out of their press guides.....try finding a records section in the oakland raiders press guide...i dare ya....lol......

so this is not just an isu thing....the sycamore sports information office...or the athletic department....aren't doing it because they are stupid....or are pinching pennies....its just a fact of life now in the media/sports information/media relations world.....

did anybody read the thread that i put up a few months ago...about several athletic conferences around the country cancelling their football pre-season media days this year????.....all due to saving money....

by the way.....in addition to writing, designing and putting out award-winning press guides at isu...i was also in charge of selling them.....we probably sold maybe 50-60 each year....

and this was back when the team was ranked no. 1 in i-aa....lol.....and don't say...well, it wasn't advertised that they were available....we did.....we announced it at games...on the radio....in the newspaper...etc.....we also had a stand set up at the games to sell them....

so let's get this straight....this isn't a case of isu's athletic department trying to not promote football....as i said earlier, this kind of thing has been in discussions for quite a while...i left isu in 1997....and it was being considered back then as well.....

times change...back then, we had a lengthy mailing list that we sent press releases to each week...over 250 members of the media from around the state and nation.....the postal costs on those mailings were nothing to sneeze at....and we kept trying to pair it down as best we could....

now....schools just email press releases to the media...a heck of a lot cheaper....and quicker....and more personal.....and now media guides...online...is the next extension of that sort of thing.....
 

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to back up my point.....here is a national story on the subject....

here is an associated press story that ran in the memphis commercial-appeal on july, 14, 2009 --

Colleges pinching pennies: Travel, media guides cut to save money
By Tom Coyne, Associated Press
Tuesday, July 14, 2009

SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- The Atlantic Coast Conference won't hold its baseball championship at Fenway Park next year, choosing a North Carolina venue over far-flung Boston. Michigan, Ohio State and Wisconsin aren't printing media guides. The Miami Hurricanes will be busing players to games.

As the recession drags on, many big schools are drawing attention for cutting sports outright -- Washington expects to save $1.2 million by eliminating swimming, for example. But college athletic departments throughout the country also are taking smaller, less obvious steps to trim costs in the sluggish economy.

"You seldom find a silver bullet that saves you all the money you need," said Bob Bowlsby, the athletic director at Stanford, whose athletic endowment has dropped to $410 million from $520 million in the past three years. "Instead you find a hundred areas where you save a little and you eat the elephant one bite at a time."

To that end, Cincinnati will no longer offer new scholarships for men's cross country, track and swimming, a move expected to save $400,000 a year.

Virginia Tech is asking its teams to try to travel no farther than two states away for non-conference games. Athletic director Jim Weaver said that's expected to save $50,000.

Miami will save about $140,000 by busing its football team to South Florida in Tampa and Central Florida in Orlando instead of flying.

Even Notre Dame, which has a lucrative deal with NBC to televise its football games, is asking its coaches in sports other than football to schedule games with opponents closer to home, athletic director Jack Swarbrick said. He said the football staff saved $20,000 from April 15 to May 31 by booking earlier and less convenient flights.

State schools are facing budget reductions handed down by lawmakers while private schools' endowments are shrinking.

In the five-year period through 2008, only 18 of 119 Division I athletic departments operated in the black, according to preliminary numbers compiled by Dan Fulks, an accounting professor at Transylvania University in Lexington, Ky., who has been an NCAA consultant for 20 years. Those numbers were before the economic downturn.

"What we're seeing is that schools that are making money are typically making more money and schools that are losing money are losing more money," Fulks said. "The gaps between the haves and have-nots has been getting wider."

The Big 12 has eliminated the majority of its coaches' meetings and instead will hold them via teleconference, saving schools the travel costs, Big 12 spokesman Bob Burda said.

At least eight schools, including Michigan, Ohio State and Wisconsin, are doing away with printed media guides, expensive tomes that can reach hundreds of pages.

The Pac-10 has proposed NCAA legislation that would ban printed media in all sports, and is calling for a ban on international tours for teams and on schools paying for football teams to stay at hotels the night before home games.
 
You're missing my point, you always do. I understand what other schools are doing -- I know how to fucking Google. There is no point discussing anything with you because you know everything. I'm done here.
 
jason...chill man....lol....

i was just making my point.....i can't see how anybody can expect isu to be able to continue to print press guides when larger schools can't afford to do it....that's why a lot of schools are not printing press guides at all...or in much smaller quanity...that's all i was trying to say.....

and like someone else in the thread pointed out...it's cheaper to run guides in larger numbers than smaller numbers....and the schools just dont make enough money from the sale of press guides to fans to make it economically feasible to do it anymore....

that's all i was trying to say.....
 
although it is amazing to me.....

last month i did a thread on honoring former baseball players from terre haute...at the new baseball field at isu...and people picked that apart....lol....

and here...i was simply congratulating the sports information office on putting together an outstanding press guide....and once again....it gets picked apart....lol.....

a positive turns into a negative....lol
 
just some new points on the future of press guides....

found some things about media guides and their future in college sports....

from the "any given saturday" i-aa website....these are comments from some of their readers....

*Several conferences - including the Missouri Valley Football Conference - are changing how they go about doing media guides (look for flash drives and/or CDs)

Many other schools and conferences are announcing that they are no longer going with printed media guides and will instead make them available online.

Multi-Ad, one of the leading media guide printers is having to adapt to the changes in the media relations business.

*College Athletic departments are cutting a lot of expenses, the announcements you're bringing up aren't really a surprise. Print media in all forms is a dying industry.

*Media guides weren't a real big seller either. Only diehards would get them.

*The history and great info is still there, just on computer instead of paper.
And instead of having to have a shelf full of media guides, instead you can have decades full of media guides (or guides for all sorts of different schools) on one hard drive, or CD-ROM, or flash drive.

*Michigan and Ohio State each say they will save one-quarter a million dollars.

*The Big South Conference has eliminated printed media guides.

*The University of Indianapolis announced it will not print preseason media guides for any of its 21 varsity sports. Athletics Director Sue Willey said the print savings will funneled into new Web and marketing projects that will benefit fans, media and recruits.

“When schools like Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Marshall, among others, moved swiftly to eliminate printed guides, it gives you a sense of where this issue is heading,” Willey said. “Recruits are so much more Web-savvy, and media are already used to checking the Web site for updated information, so it is the next logical step to focus on improving our Web presence. Measure in the benefits in cost savings and environmental effects and it becomes a no-brainer.”

Assistant Athletics Director for Sports Information Mitch Wigness said while media guides served broadcasters and journalists and helped in recruiting, those services are now offered online. “As those can now be better fulfilled through the Web and other avenues, then the printed version becomes more and more obsolete,” Wigness said. “We are at that point.”

*Joint Statement from the USBWA and FWAA on Media Guides (in favor of printed press guides) --

The U.S. Basketball Writers Association (USBWA) and the Football Writers Association of America (FWAA) support the proposal by the Southeastern Conference which would preserve 208-page printed media guides for football and basketball and eliminate recruiting material and the guides being given to recruits, their parents or coaches.

The two organizations believe there still is a strong need for printed guides in football and basketball after polling membership. The main reasons cited by members were the difficulty of accessing needed information on-line and the inconsistencies with which it is presented by schools, even within the same conference. There also is a fear of Internet failures at events - such as last spring’s Final Four in Detroit - which prevent the access of needed information.

Besides support for the SEC proposal, the two organizations also make several other observations regarding the media guide issue, knowing that the SEC proposal merely offers schools the opportunity to continue to print guides in those sports and allows recruiting information to be e-mailed to recruits. Several schools and conferences already have decided to cease printing media guides before legislation to do away with them has even been passed.

· Media guides/areas should be just that. If the SEC proposal is adopted, this would occur in printed media guides, but still leaves open the possibility on-line media areas will be compromised with recruiting and fan information and solicitations (tickets, t-shirts, novelties etc.) On-line media areas also should be devoid of solicitations and interactive content which prolong quick access to information.

· Conferences and schools should make their web sites easier to navigate. We urge individual conferences to adopt standards and consistency in regards to style and presentation.

· All major football and basketball conferences should look at the suggested elements for media information which have been provided by the FWAA and USBWA, either for printed media guides or their electronic/digital versions.
 

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a positive turns into a negative....lol

Welcome to my world - now you know how I feel.... lol For what it's worth I have nothing to add to the subject at hand. Besides the fact that the guy who does the media guides never gets the Track & Field media guide published in time for the start of the season - but he has football's done a month before the start of the season.

Heres a good idea: Start on it now! lol
 
morgan...you wanna know why the football guide gets done earlier?????

at the risk of being labled a know-it-all again....lol....they have a mvc preseason media day...for football....with all the schools involved...in late july....and they meet in st. louis...with all of the media from around the conference....and the conference office mandates that all press guides be done by that time....

unfortunately....cross country and track does not have a set early deadline like that...other than the beginning of the season.....

by the way, did you see in one of my earlier posts...that the university of cincinnati was dropping cross country and track?
 
at the risk of being labled a know-it-all again....lol....they have a mvc preseason media day...for football....with all the schools involved...in late july....and they meet in st. louis...with all of the media from around the conference....and the conference office mandates that all press guides be done by that time....

unfortunately....cross country and track does not have a set early deadline like that...other than the beginning of the season.....

by the way, did you see in one of my earlier posts...that the university of cincinnati was dropping cross country and track?

Now there is a thought and we could take the money that we were going to spend on the new track and xcountry facilities and spend it on football.
 
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