State Budget Committee OKs funding for Hulman Center project

[sycamore tuff]

I applaud the University for not letting the contractors get away with writing their own checks. The only thing I really care about is having a winning team. Hulman Center is not going to affect whether or not we have one.

 

[Sycamore Proud]

With proper leadership, planning and execution we could have gotten this versions of the Hulman Center and have 10 to 12 million as seed money for a new stadium by the river or significant upgrades to Memorial Stadium.

 

[Sycamorefan96]

I'm just glad we get to play in the Hulman Center this year. I really don't care about the renovation at all. Having blue seats in the upper level would make the place look better, along with a true bowl in the lower level. Besides that, there's really nothing about the renovation that actually excites me.

 

[Sycamore Proud]

I'm just glad we get to play in the Hulman Center this year. I really don't care about the renovation at all. Having blue seats in the upper level would make the place look better, along with a true bowl in the lower level. Besides that, there's really nothing about the renovation that actually excites me.

This fan can't agree with your feelings. Structure repairs are needed along with mechanicals--electrical, plumbing, HVAC, lighting and sound. Much of the money should be spent on things the average fan will never notice. Creature comforts should be next--all locker room facilities, easy to reach elevators and handicapped accessibility, rails on all stairs and concessions. Some, but not all of these items will also allow improvement on appearance. When does it need to be completed? How about yesterday? When you have 55+ years dealing with IS you soon learned not to take things for granted. I would like to visit the completed project while I still am able!

 

[shootingsycamore]

Yeah last I had heard they wanted to shave 10-12 million off of the low bid last time..What are you suppose to do with that as an architect?? lol The last 3+ years of this fiasco is the perfect example of the ineptitude that has and is plaguing ISU from the top down when it comes to athletics.. The university hasn't prioritized MBB the way it should have over the past 30 years and this is the result of that..

I had earmarked a decent chunk of money to give towards the project when/if they ever fundraised for it..But at this point I have far better ways to blow money than to give it to the idiots driving this train.

I checked the 1970 Centennial edition of the "Sycamore" yearbook. In it they had architects renderings of recently constructed or to be constructed buildings on campus. Statesmen Towers, Memorial Stadium etc. In it was an architects rendering of Hulman Center. It looked quite nice and totally different from the final product. One can hope that this time the project gets properly funded and completed. The last time the budget shortfall produced a building that looks like a cross between a pole barn and an airplane hanger. Hopefully that will be rectified.

 

[Bally #50]

I checked the 1970 Centennial edition of the "Sycamore" yearbook. In it they had architects renderings of recently constructed or to be constructed buildings on campus. Statesmen Towers, Memorial Stadium etc. In it was an architects rendering of Hulman Center. It looked quite nice and totally different from the final product. One can hope that this time the project gets properly funded and completed. The last time the budget shortfall produced a building that looks like a cross between a pole barn and an airplane hanger. Hopefully that will be rectified.

SS, I remember that rendering that President Rankin and the BOT decided to send it back and cut corners. As it was called then, the Hulman Civic-University Center turned out pretty damn well and endured more than 40 years. I know that some of you just pop on here to muddy the water and add your stink of the week but yes, the time is dragging on and nothing has been started. Since they decided to not eliminate home games and since they have concerts to reschedule or whatever, it isn't going to start until they know what they are doing with events and have plans that WORK for the university and the fans. My feeling is that they could build the Barclays Center and you nay-sayers would be pissed about something. Don't forget that we have a new (sports loving) president that doesn't want to screw up her first project. I am really pissed that it is dragging on too, but when it is finished I imagine that most of us will be happy.

Funny I wrote THREE much different threads on my i-Phone last night sitting in bed at 12:30 am and out of nowhere, I swore Jason was sitting at home with the big red button laughing out loud and poof, he DELETED them. Seriously, using an i-Phone with this Sycamore Pride is like a blind man doing a corn maize. I know it was probably me but seriously, an hours worth of nastiness just disappears? Now that's weird. So put up with my old school fluff today, I am leaving to go watch the LPGA ladies play some golf. Note: OMG, I am aging. I just was told that is NEXT week. Shit, SSOM, I must REALLY be out of touch! P.S. Where was that "Restore Auto-Saved Content" button last night!!!

 

[shootingsycamore]

SS, I remember that rendering that President Rankin and the BOT decided to send it back and cut corners. As it was called then, the Hulman Civic-University Center turned out pretty damn well and endured more than 40 years. I know that some of you just pop on here to muddy the water and add your stink of the week but yes, the time is dragging on and nothing has been started. Since they decided to not eliminate home games and since they have concerts to reschedule or whatever, it isn't going to start until they know what they are doing with events and have plans that WORK for the university and the fans. My feeling is that they could build the Barclays Center and you nay-sayers would be pissed about something. Don't forget that we have a new (sports loving) president that doesn't want to screw up her first project. I am really pissed that it is dragging on too, but when it is finished I imagine that most of us will be happy.

Funny I wrote THREE much different threads on my i-Phone last night sitting in bed at 12:30 am and out of nowhere, I swore Jason was sitting at home with the big red button laughing out loud and poof, he DELETED them. Seriously, using an i-Phone with this Sycamore Pride is like a blind man doing a corn maize. I know it was probably me but seriously, an hours worth of nastiness just disappears? Now that's weird. So put up with my old school fluff today, I am leaving to go watch the LPGA ladies play some golf. Note: OMG, I am aging. I just was told that is NEXT week. Shit, SSOM, I must REALLY be out of touch! P.S. Where was that "Restore Auto-Saved Content" button last night!!!

Hulman Center has served the community well since it's opening. Having attended all the home B'ball games while living in Terre Haute from 1974 through the last Bird home game there isn't a bad seat in the house. That from having sat in the lower bowl to temporary seating in the last row of the upper bowl. My commentary is not to criticize the overall structure nor it's functionality. Buildings such as Hulman Center often represent the best of the community and allude to civic pride. When opened no one thought of the exterior just the product inside and moving out of the old gym. Over time architectural styles change and with the advent of newer arenas comparisons will arise. There is an opportunity to reconfigure the structure and do it right. All anyone can hope for is that it's done with foresight and looking to the next 40 + years.

 

[Fiji Bill 72]

Hulman Center has served the community well since it's opening. Having attended all the home B'ball games while living in Terre Haute from 1974 through the last Bird home game there isn't a bad seat in the house. That from having sat in the lower bowl to temporary seating in the last row of the upper bowl. My commentary is not to criticize the overall structure nor it's functionality. Buildings such as Hulman Center often represent the best of the community and allude to civic pride. When opened no one thought of the exterior just the product inside and moving out of the old gym. Over time architectural styles change and with the advent of newer arenas comparisons will arise. There is an opportunity to reconfigure the structure and do it right. All anyone can hope for is that it's done with foresight and looking to the next 40 + years.

I was on the yearbook staff when this was published. My understanding is they had to redesign Hulman Center because the city would not close the street.

 

[IndyTreeFan]

I checked the 1970 Centennial edition of the "Sycamore" yearbook. In it they had architects renderings of recently constructed or to be constructed buildings on campus. Statesmen Towers, Memorial Stadium etc. In it was an architects rendering of Hulman Center. It looked quite nice and totally different from the final product. One can hope that this time the project gets properly funded and completed. The last time the budget shortfall produced a building that looks like a cross between a pole barn and an airplane hanger. Hopefully that will be rectified.

Can you post the picture? That would be cool...

 

[Bally #50]

Can you post the picture? That would be cool...

I've got it, I'll pull it out and post it. He's right, the street (and the money) were the main issue. Heard it directly from Alan Rankin. And by the way, Fiji Bill did a great job on that book~

One more thing...great to see some of you ol' timers on here. Sycamore Proud, where are you, we need you?

 

[shootingsycamore]

On an interesting side-note, the Tribune Star on 8/16/18 ran an article about the proposed TH Convention Center. I had to read it twice to make sure the location was as stated. It's going to be bounded by Wabash Ave on the south, Cherry St. on the North, 9th on the east and 7th. St on West, closing part of 8th St. Puts it across the street from Hulman Center.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

On an interesting side-note, the Tribune Star on 8/16/18 ran an article about the proposed TH Convention Center. I had to read it twice to make sure the location was as stated. It's going to be bounded by Wabash Ave on the south, Cherry St. on the North, 9th on the east and 7th. St on West, closing part of 8th St. Puts it across the street from Hulman Center.

Correct. Copper Bar and what was the terminal will be gone.

Possible new sports bar as part of this project or adjacent but adjoining hotel.

What I’ve heard anyway. The speed at which this group has moved to get to this point tells you a lot about the Universities involvement in the original set up and who was to blame...

 

[Chief_Quabachi]

I don't blame the university whatsoever. How is Terre Haute going to pay for a convention center, a new jail, school modernization, etc. ?........

 

[Southgrad07]

Correct. Copper Bar and what was the terminal will be gone.

Possible new sports bar as part of this project or adjacent but adjoining hotel.

What I’ve heard anyway. The speed at which this group has moved to get to this point tells you a lot about the Universities involvement in the original set up and who was to blame...

So will the copper bar relocate? Will be a shame if they don't. They have some good eats!

 

[sycamore tuff]

Correct. Copper Bar and what was the terminal will be gone.

Possible new sports bar as part of this project or adjacent but adjoining hotel.

What I’ve heard anyway. The speed at which this group has moved to get to this point tells you a lot about the Universities involvement in the original set up and who was to blame...

Sounds like the locals wants to try and stick it to ISU by making them look bad. If indeed they are going to shut down 8th street then that is the same dumb crap they did when Union Hospital was built.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

I don't blame the university whatsoever. How is Terre Haute going to pay for a convention center, a new jail, school modernization, etc. ?........

Of course not - because no matter what some of you will never see fault in anything that the University does.

Were not talking about the jail, high schools etc. You brought that up - not me. Don't bring that shit show into this discussion.

This is a discussion about that convention center and the HC - nothing else. All of the money has already been allocated, all of the taxes have already been passed - the project is moving forward. Gibson is behind it and he's not going to let some ridiculousness get in the way of getting it done. Because of this project we're going to have some much needed additional parking downtown (parking garage)and potentially a new hotel. That entire block is going to be reformed just like much of downtown was reformed when the Terre Haute House finally got torn down.

So you can keep telling yourself what makes you feel better. You're protecting Indiana State which hasn't started a renovation of the HC after 3+ years of conversation, drawings, state committed funding, re-bid etc. etc. Please spare me. This thread was started in February 2015 with a rendering and all. This February - when basketball is finishing up will mark 4 years and construction is yet to begin. I can't help you if you can't see the problem with that.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

So will the copper bar relocate? Will be a shame if they don't. They have some good eats!

Copper is done.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Sounds like the locals wants to try and stick it to ISU by making them look bad. If indeed they are going to shut down 8th street then that is the same dumb crap they did when Union Hospital was built.

Because closing north 7th street should defiantly stand in the way of improving the quality and standard of healthcare in the Wabash Valley. Yeah that was a totally dumb move... People wonder why Terre Haute is stuck in neutral - because it's nearly impossible to get anything done. You're bringing up 7th street when Union Hospital built a $180 million state-of-the-art healthcare facility??

I happened to be employed at that hospital at that time and many years after. I can assure you that a new facility needed to built. If they could go back and do it over they probably wouldn't have built such a large facility - as I'm not sure they've ever reached capacity since it was built. But better be below capacity than have patients waiting in hall beds for a room to open up as it was prior to them building that facility.

 

[Chief_Quabachi]

SSOM, may I suggest "Win Friends & Influence People - By Dale Carnegie"......just sayin'.:biggrin:

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

SSOM, may I suggest "Win Friends & Influence People - By Dale Carnegie"......just sayin'.:biggrin:

I mean - I'm calling it the way it is Chief. I can't sugar coat it for you. If you think my frustration is with you then your sorely mistake about that too. I'm frustrated with Indiana State for this taking so damn long and to learn recently that the project will be a shell of what it was once said it was going to look like is awfully disappointing. I can't just shut that emotion off man - I wish I could.

Blaming everything on the city and the finances of the city is a cop out and a lot of people including President Bradley used that to justify this project not being done right the first time. The fact of the matter is the city has been behind this project from the word "Go". No one can ignore the financial issues this city has had and many like cities across Indiana. At least they've tried to keep moving things forward and tried to be as progressive as possible to get behind who ever was able to get a convention center project done.

Thanks for the book referral - I will check it out. Sometimes a passionate post is an offensive post - I can't always just bite my tongue.