State Budget Committee OKs funding for Hulman Center project

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Found this line from the Tribstar article above interesting:

"Officials attributed the high bids to a strong economy and a lot of construction underway in the area."

Most of the new construction, from what I gather, is either at ISU, or is downtown housing also attributable to ISU.

http://www.ibrc.indiana.edu/ibr/2017/outlook/terrehaute.html

So I guess that means the Hulman Center project being stalled is partially due to the university's recent success in terms of enrollment and other improvements. However, you could also argue it's a case of not prioritizing the project.
 

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bent20 said:
Found this line from the Tribstar article above interesting:

"Officials attributed the high bids to a strong economy and a lot of construction underway in the area."

Most of the new construction, from what I gather, is either at ISU, or is downtown housing also attributable to ISU.

http://www.ibrc.indiana.edu/ibr/2017/outlook/terrehaute.html

So I guess that means the Hulman Center project being stalled is partially due to the university's recent success in terms of enrollment and other improvements. However, you could also argue it's a case of not prioritizing the project.
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You haven't gathered much - ISU and hosing projects are not really the only thing going on. Just so were clear.

In the process of building a new auto dealership in southern Vigo. A new turkey processing facility in southern Vigo industrial park. A new Menards about to start in southern Vigo. A new hotel out east. A new grocery out east and another that just opened down south. A new gas station/resturant recently opened on south side. A new Riddell Bank branch in Vigo Co. in the process of building a new facility.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
You haven't gathered much - ISU and hosing projects are not really the only thing going on. Just so were clear.

In the process of building a new auto dealership in southern Vigo. A new turkey processing facility in southern Vigo industrial park. A new Menards about to start in southern Vigo. A new hotel out east. A new grocery out east and another that just opened down south. A new gas station/resturant recently opened on south side. A new Riddell Bank branch in Vigo Co. in the process of building a new facility.
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Good to know. And thanks for reminding me why I don't post much here anymore.
 
bent20 said:
Good to know. And thanks for reminding me why I don't post much here anymore.
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I was simply pointing out that quite a lot is going on construction wise in town.

After all these years sorry you haven’t figured out how to read around the not so insulting verbiage... I really didn’t intend to upset you. Just seemed a bit misinformed.

Sorry that hurt your feelings.
 

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niklz62 said:
are those the kind of projects that are competing with the HC renovation?
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A steady increase in biddable projects does nothing but IMPROVE pricing due to competition. Volume creates volume. It's great to see the city finally breaking out of an undeserved slump, and my guess is that the Hulman Center Project as well as the positive kick that Indiana State has given to Terre Haute and it's economy, is finally starting to payoff. Delays in Hulman Center work should be something we need to pay attention to but it is pretty normal on a project as complex as that is, and may well have a tie in to the enormous task of re-working any future athletic events, as well as social and concert business scheduled BEFORE the state approval. Remember at one time they actually said they would NOT play home games during the reconstruction. By now, they might have figured, that ain't gonna work.
 
On a positive note Bally we have a young man working through the political maze here that is a very positive thinker 'and doer', that I think will some day be out mayor. He comes from the Kearns 'a political family', but has the unique trait of honesty it seems. If he moves up it will be a positive thing for our fine city. Not my party, but a good prospect that will help city/ISU projects.
 
bluebill said:
On a positive note Bally we have a young man working through the political maze here that is a very positive thinker 'and doer', that I think will some day be out mayor. He comes from the Kearns 'a political family', but has the unique trait of honesty it seems. If he moves up it will be a positive thing for our fine city. Not my party, but a good prospect that will help city/ISU projects.
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I'm not sure that Brendan Kearns has any mayoral aspirations at this time - although I think he would do very well. From my conversations with him in the last year I don't get the impression that is something that he's planning for. Perhaps things have changed... He's certainly been willing to get in and mix it up and is quite candid - I will say he seems to have quieted down a bit in the last 6 months - he has some people pretty upset with him.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
I'm not sure that Brendan Kearns has any mayoral aspirations at this time - although I think he would do very well. From my conversations with him in the last year I don't get the impression that is something that he's planning for. Perhaps things have changed... He's certainly been willing to get in and mix it up and is quite candid - I will say he seems to have quieted down a bit in the last 6 months - he has some people pretty upset with him.
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I agree SSM, and not being a close friend I just observe that Brendan does not seek power but it falls in his favor, and that is what makes him attractive. Don't know if he is totally on board with this project as planed.
 
Ya'all are really going to enjoy the new renderings that contractors are currently bidding on... At least based on what I have heard, I haven't seen them for myself.

The extended - big glass entrance. Ya - it's gone.

The open concourse - where you can see the floor from just walking around. Ya - it's gone.

Enjoy it! Was a lot of blame to go around but for those of you that defended then President Bradley on this deal you were very wrong. He did us no favors in blowing up that deal and then getting involved in a media pissing match. Gibson was the wrong guy to get in that sort of a match with - Indiana State will come out looking silly once again.
 
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SycamoreStateofMind said:
Ya'all are really going to enjoy the new renderings that contractors are currently bidding on... At least based on what I have heard, I haven't seen them for myself.

The extended - big glass entrance. Ya - it's gone.

The open concourse - where you can see the floor from just walking around. Ya - it's gone.

Enjoy it! Was a lot of blame to go around but for those of you that defended then President Bradley on this deal you were very wrong. He did us no favors in blowing up that deal and then getting involved in a media pissing match. Gibson was the wrong guy to get in that sort of a match with - Indiana State will come out looking silly once again.
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So in other words, lipstick on a pig.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
The thing about it is - this has ramifications outside of just the Hulman Center and convention center. Bradley will not be residing in Terre Haute after he leaves - I'm sure he wishes us nothing but the bust but sure he could care less if the convention center gets done or not. He washed his hands of it - that is what happened.

What he fails to realize (I'm sure he realized it but didn't care) in doing so he just created a divide between the Terre Haute Convention & Visitors Bureau (aka Greg Gibson & Dave Patterson). Why is that important in the grand scheme of things? For 1 Greg Gibson has more money and clout than anyone in this city and it aint even close. For two those guys have both done a lot for Indiana State - I could name several but for starters the LaVern Gibson Cross Country Course wouldn't exist without them (throw in John McNichols obviously).

You want to go down that road by placing this at the feet of the city? The county? The THCVB? Be my guest - but when things go wrong maybe you should look in the mirror. The city/county can only raise taxes so much. The THCVB can only raise hotel/food/beverage tax so much. This is an Indiana State alumni/donor/foundation etc. etc. etc. problem and until you fix it we will continue to have shit facilities. You had the chance to create something beautiful for the University and downtown Terre Haute to be proud of and you shit the bed. All because they couldn't reach out a single donor (or multiple for that matter) or business for naming rights?? You've got to be kidding me.

Anything short of what was proposed is a failure in my mind. I rest.
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My post from 8/22/2017 - nearly a year ago. Not only has the project not started but they have chopped the plans up multiple times over and now we aint getting what we had hoped and dreamed we would get.
 

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Yeah last I had heard they wanted to shave 10-12 million off of the low bid last time..What are you suppose to do with that as an architect?? lol The last 3+ years of this fiasco is the perfect example of the ineptitude that has and is plaguing ISU from the top down when it comes to athletics.. The university hasn't prioritized MBB the way it should have over the past 30 years and this is the result of that..

I had earmarked a decent chunk of money to give towards the project when/if they ever fundraised for it..But at this point I have far better ways to blow money than to give it to the idiots driving this train.
 
Southgrad07 said:
Yeah last I had heard they wanted to shave 10-12 million off of the low bid last time..What are you suppose to do with that as an architect?? lol The last 3+ years of this fiasco is the perfect example of the ineptitude that has and is plaguing ISU from the top down when it comes to athletics.. The university hasn't prioritized MBB the way it should have over the past 30 years and this is the result of that..

I had earmarked a decent chunk of money to give towards the project when/if they ever fundraised for it..But at this point I have far better ways to blow money than to give it to the idiots driving this train.
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Seriously though if you are in need of money as a university, why do you not seek donations. I understand we can donate at anytime, but how has there not been a specific campaign for “the Hulman Center project.”
 
I think the sad bottom line is most of the people "in charge" for the last 20+ years have either just been collecting a government check or been enthusiastic, yet very flawed..We've had some quality ppl here and there..But for the most part it's a big shit show. But to your point they've known about this project for how long and did nothing with it??...

Btw for those of u who think this isn't a current adm. problem as well..Clinks first fundraising program had nothing specifically to do with its "flagship" program and nothing has came out since...Big mistake https://gosycamores.com/news/2017/5/16/sycamores-unveil-elevate-campaign.aspx
 
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