The Vision for redevelopment between State & Union Hospital

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Wonder how this will go over...


One document describes a vision for the area between Union Hospital and Indiana State University.

The goal “is to create a walkable, aesthetically pleasing revitalized urban neighborhood,” said Jackie Turner, senior planner with Ratio Architects, which developed both documents.

The public has an opportunity to review both the plan and the overlay ordinance online at www.communitycollaborate.com. Paper copies are available at City Hall, the Vigo County Public Library, the Landsbaum Center reception area and ISU Library...

The full text:

http://tribstar.com/news/x947028323/Documents-show-vision-for-area-from-ISU-Union
 

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This is not the first of the "neighborhood planning meetings" that have taken place. They have had neighborhood planning meetings in the past and they have been very well received. A large portion of the land/homes are already owned by Union and Indiana State - with that said still many yet to be purchased and I don't think the plan is to buy "everyone".

It's all more of a long term vision of creating economic development and creating better access to health care for rural communities that surround Vigo County. Clearly Vigo County is the least rural of the counties in the Wabash Valley. But if you look at counties like, Parke, Vermillion, Clay, Sullivan, Greene and a few others in Illinois access to quality health care is difficult for some. The partners of this organization have come together to not only create economic development, improve access to healthcare and develop future healthcare professionals to meet the ever growing demand (again touching on improving access).

You can find more information here:

http://www.therhic.org/
 
can't get the ratio website to work...will not stop loading.

All would appear to be a great idea. But that is the problem with most revitalization concepts, they are great in theory but not entirely practical. I think we will probably see some vast improvements in this area and I think you will see more and more houses torn down between ISU and Union, but to think that there would be a walkable, aestically pleasing neighborhood without MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR developer money and enormous tax breaks is just not feasible. The city can't afford it, the county can't afford it and the state won't support it. It is going to take private business investment. I hope something great happens but I won't hold my breath for 20-30 years for it to happen.

Also, and maybe someone can help explain this to me. Union is its own hospital right? It isn't part of St. Vincent's or Clarian or IU medical right?
 
Sackalot said:
can't get the ratio website to work...will not stop loading.

All would appear to be a great idea. But that is the problem with most revitalization concepts, they are great in theory but not entirely practical. I think we will probably see some vast improvements in this area and I think you will see more and more houses torn down between ISU and Union, but to think that there would be a walkable, aestically pleasing neighborhood without MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR developer money and enormous tax breaks is just not feasible. The city can't afford it, the county can't afford it and the state won't support it. It is going to take private business investment. I hope something great happens but I won't hold my breath for 20-30 years for it to happen.

Also, and maybe someone can help explain this to me. Union is its own hospital right? It isn't part of St. Vincent's or Clarian or IU medical right?
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The state would probably support it if it was in Indianapolis, Fort Wayne, or Evansville. I KNOW they would support it in Bloomington...
 
Just browsed the main proposal PDF and it sounds really, really slick if they can pull it off. This is the type of thing that will take Indiana State University to the next level as a University. Take 20-30 minutes and read through that PDF.
 

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Additionally, one of the things that would have saved me a lot of time moving about on campus and around campus:

Conversion of Eighth and Ninth Street to 2-way Traffic [FONT=XCWUIZ+Geometric415BT-LiteA,XCWUIZ+Geometric415BT-LiteA][FONT=XCWUIZ+Geometric415BT-LiteA,XCWUIZ+Geometric415BT-LiteA][FONT=XCWUIZ+Geometric415BT-LiteA,XCWUIZ+Geometric415BT-LiteA]Led By: City Staff
In past years, Eighth and Ninth Streets were converted from two-way traffic to one-way traffic. One-way traffic is most often convenient for daily commuters as travel is optimized for peak hour commuting. Neither Eighth nor Ninth Streets are commuter links.
Benefits of two-way streets include:
<DIR>[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]–[FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT][FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT][FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT]–Though pedestrians must look both ways when crossing a two-way street, they often feel more comfortable because of slower traffic speeds, hence the designation of streets as "pedestrian-friendly."
[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]–[FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT][FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT][FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT]–Slower traffic speeds calm traffic, which is often desirable in residential neighborhoods.
[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]–[FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT][FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT][FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT]–Two-way streets are often more friendly to visitors that are unfamiliar with the city. Regional and state-wide visitors are common in the area thanks to proximity to Union Hospital and Indiana State University.
[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]–[FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT][FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT][FONT=Futura Bk BT,Futura Bk BT]–Two-way streets are more accommodating of multiple modes of transportation including transit, cycling, and pedestrian movement.
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SycamoreStateofMind said:
This is not the first of the "neighborhood planning meetings" that have taken place. They have had neighborhood planning meetings in the past and they have been very well received. A large portion of the land/homes are already owned by Union and Indiana State - with that said still many yet to be purchased and I don't think the plan is to buy "everyone".

It's all more of a long term vision of creating economic development and creating better access to health care for rural communities that surround Vigo County. Clearly Vigo County is the least rural of the counties in the Wabash Valley. But if you look at counties like, Parke, Vermillion, Clay, Sullivan, Greene and a few others in Illinois access to quality health care is difficult for some. The partners of this organization have come together to not only create economic development, improve access to healthcare and develop future healthcare professionals to meet the ever growing demand (again touching on improving access).

You can find more information here:

http://www.therhic.org/
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Can someone please tell me how on earth removing all this private property from the tax base, can improve medical services in those Illinois counties ? And a plesant walkway --
WHAT ??
 
bluebill said:
Can someone please tell me how on earth removing all this private property from the tax base, can improve medical services in those Illinois counties ? And a plesant walkway --
WHAT ??
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First, there is very little quality property in that designated area so I don't think there is much tax money pulled from this area. Most of it is run down student rentals... there is even a lot of condemned property or property with a lot of issues such as lead based paint, etc. Every time something gets torn down in this area, it's a positive for the city.

As for a pleasant walkway, I'm going to suggest that you've never tried to walk from campus to Union in the last 5-10 years. It's not a pleasant walk and after dark, it would be down right scary to some, especially females. That said, there are a few well kept properties in the area but they are VERY few and far between.

Have you been to this area recently?
 
Have to agree with Boda...

I don't think this is removing anything FROM the rolls; but rather increasing the value of what IS on the rolls.

Obviously, some may be removed but it's not a wholesale razing just to raze -- it's redevelopment and working on 'in-fill' of existing structures/businesses, etc
 

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4Q_iu said:
I don't think this is removing anything FROM the rolls; but rather increasing the value of what IS on the rolls.

Obviously, some may be removed but it's not a wholesale razing just to raze -- it's redevelopment and working on 'in-fill' of existing structures/businesses, etc
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I believe 4Q has nailed it. In my visits to Terre Haute I have observed little to make me feel this redevelopment is one of the, if not the most positive moves in the last 50 years or most likely more.
 
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Sackalot said:
Also, and maybe someone can help explain this to me. Union is its own hospital right? It isn't part of St. Vincent's or Clarian or IU medical right?
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Union is it's own organization.

The thing about the RHIC is 80% of its funding is private money. We are talking significant dollars to be a member of the RHIC it's actually a 501c3 organizaton. All of the partners of the RHIC pay money to be a part of it.

How does something in Terre Haute benefit a rural community in Illinois? Well basically the RHIC aims to make access to care in rual communities more accessible. You do that by having edcational programs in place to recruit the best tallent to the area/school. This country is not only at a shortage of physicans but also nureses and medical professionals. Healthcare reform only further exploit that shortage. So putting programing in place with the hope of encouraging more college bound students to explore a future in health care.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
Healthcare reform only further exploit that shortage...
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"Exploit?" LOL

SSOM, the country is going BANKRUPT because of it (healthcare costs)!
The cost-benefit of much heathcare technology is negligible. Not all of TECHNOLOGY is worth its blueprint! At some point, you've got to place a $$$ figure on "life," otherwise, culture becomes overburdened & imbalanced...institutions selfishly control large sectors of American life w/o safe guards...which essentially, is the state of affairs in America now. At some point, the "buck has to stop." Yes, at some point we're gonna die, and technology can't do a damn thing about it. "Quality of life" you $ay? At what COST? Who has access to the "technology? Who paid for much of the R & D?
 
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Healthcare costs are not the only thing driving this country to bankruptcy, I can assure of that...

Other than that you continue to talk over my head and I don't know how to respond to your post or what of your post I can respond to. Put it in laymen terms (Indiana State education here) and I will do my best to have a serious discussion.

I suppose it's technologies fault that Americans live such unhealthy life styles? Would you like to also blame that on healthcare and the extreme costs that come from unhealthy life styles? Or is it possible that an underlying problem exists?

You talk about being "BANKRUPT" because of healthcare, what do you know about preventative medicine? What if you don't have access to care as many folks in rural America don't?
 
what technology isn't worth it? It is how it is implemented that is the problem. I won't ever argue with more technology, I just don't want the government telling me when to pull the plug.
 

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I live in "rural America" and have never had PROBLEMS gaining access to healthcare. Ya, there's a few spots along the spacious frontier of America where "access" might be limited, but isn't that a personal choice inherent in the decision of maintaining residence in such isolation?

"Preventive medicine" has always been more readily available to the educated and wealthy. Learning to take care of yourself is not rocket science, although hospitals would like people to believe this, thus the proliferation of the various "specialty" discipline$. It's a euphoria & neurosis that's rooted in the healthcare industry of 2000.
They took cigarette commercials off the TV in the mid 60's and now we're bombarded by RX solutions, joint replacements (as if humans are part of the assembly line car plant), lasix, breast enhancement, etc.

Yes, "healthcare" is out of control, and it doesn't have a damn thing to do with RURAL ACCESS.
 
The "rural health" program strives to put quality physicians into general practitioner roles again. There is a shortage of quality general practitioners in many communities, and MANY of the ones that are available are older.


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Thanks bankshot for the realistic thinking.. Some questions arise, such as who determins what is quality property ? Perhaps a person making a "planning" study or "Joe 6pack" the second or third generation property owner involved. BIG disparity here.

How can we justify the very remote possability of a female walking from the campus to the hospital late at nite being realistic. To provide limousine service would be far better if it ever occured.

Even though the tax base in this area is not near the same as the Allendale area, it is still vital to the city and county.

How is medical services delivery in rural Illinois affected directly or otherwise by this plan.
Is science advanced, or preparation of practitioners enhanced realy. I am not convinced they are.
 
bluebill said:
Thanks bankshot for the realistic thinking.. Some questions arise, such as who determins what is quality property ? Perhaps a person making a "planning" study or "Joe 6pack" the second or third generation property owner involved. BIG disparity here.

How can we justify the very remote possability of a female walking from the campus to the hospital late at nite being realistic. To provide limousine service would be far better if it ever occured.

Even though the tax base in this area is not near the same as the Allendale area, it is still vital to the city and county.

How is medical services delivery in rural Illinois affected directly or otherwise by this plan.
Is science advanced, or preparation of practitioners enhanced realy. I am not convinced they are.
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When was the last time you had been to this area?
 
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