BTW, Morgan... if you start this crusade, you can put me down for $100. I know it ain't much, but it's something.
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Time to Think About an Indoor Track...
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I could swing that...
I'm usually good for Booster/Sycamore Backer-level donations to the Ath Dept
Get this program on track and I'll designate 1 year to it
I'm usually good for Booster/Sycamore Backer-level donations to the Ath Dept
Get this program on track and I'll designate 1 year to it
Great Support!
I want to thank you all for your ideas and discussing this topic in a civil way with me. You all really seemed to take interest in understand just how the program raises money and operates and I appreciate you all having an open mind.
I will also take your idea as to how to get this started into consideration. I think that making my case on here was maybe the first in the right direction to getting something like this going. I want you all to know that the Administration is well aware of the need for an indoor track and they have seen the architecture, I don't doubt that they are on board. I just wish they would verbalize that a little more. I want re-assurance that they support these efforts!
I want to make sure this program get's what it deserves, they have been neglected for long enough.
I want to thank you all for your ideas and discussing this topic in a civil way with me. You all really seemed to take interest in understand just how the program raises money and operates and I appreciate you all having an open mind.
I will also take your idea as to how to get this started into consideration. I think that making my case on here was maybe the first in the right direction to getting something like this going. I want you all to know that the Administration is well aware of the need for an indoor track and they have seen the architecture, I don't doubt that they are on board. I just wish they would verbalize that a little more. I want re-assurance that they support these efforts!
I want to make sure this program get's what it deserves, they have been neglected for long enough.
By the way...dont' think that administrators at ISU aren't "privy" to the discussions on this board...they might not be signed up or posting...but I would bet $$ that Boda could check IP addresses you would find administrative assistants, assistant directors, etc. on here and reporting info, topics, comments, etc.
Any good organization (hold your breath) monitors message boards... I am sure I was able to get my point across, someone has seen this thread and is more knowledgeable than before I started this thread.
I mean it's essentially an on line comment card... lol Organizations pay big time money to see what people think about them, this aint costing the university a dime. Sometimes it might lead to negative publicity, but if they are doing things right they should read things on here and be ready to respond to the negative publicity.
I mean it's essentially an on line comment card... lol Organizations pay big time money to see what people think about them, this aint costing the university a dime. Sometimes it might lead to negative publicity, but if they are doing things right they should read things on here and be ready to respond to the negative publicity.
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Yeah and I am going to get a new car "some day"... Granted I could go out today and buy a new car and not think twice about it... But "some day" I am going to get a new car...
Really that's interesting because he and I have conflicting information... You are meaning to say that Indiana State's Cross Country team does not generate as much or more money than any cross country program in the nation? Is that what you are suggesting? Is that a fact or is that an assumption? Do you have numbers to support that statement?
Look we are not talking about donors here, that is not included in revenue. Those are donations and sure other programs are getting more money out of their alums no doubt. But how in the world is any other program bringing in this kind of cash every year? Explain that to me. I mean none of those schools are hosting an invitational that brings in 90 mens and 90 womens teams...
If we had an indoor or outdoor track we could generate revenue, we would have the ability to host a top notch indoor or outdoor invitational. You don't think the Drake Relays became big over night do you? It is an event that developed over time, you have to start somewhere. See that's the problem many of these folks that claim to be Sycamore fans live in a damn hole. They have the best Cross Country Course in nation and they want to find ways to say yeah but.... Yeah but, you only are making money from entry fees. Yeah but, their are other programs making more money. Yeah but, football makes more money.
I am tired of having to defend the best program this university has past, present and future... It must make you all sick that this is the best athletic program this university has to offer right now... Because it doesn't matter what I post on here about how good the Track and Cross Country teams are or how they do actually generate money, how they really don't cost the university much money compared to other programs and how they could make money if they had a new program. But someone always has a rebuttal... You wanted numbers I gave you numbers, you want conference titles I gave you conference titles, you want all Americans I gave you several of those, you want National Champions I gave you several of those, you want MVC Coach of the year awards I gave you several of those. GET THE POINT? THIS IS THE BEST WE GOT BOYS!
Really that's interesting because he and I have conflicting information... You are meaning to say that Indiana State's Cross Country team does not generate as much or more money than any cross country program in the nation? Is that what you are suggesting? Is that a fact or is that an assumption? Do you have numbers to support that statement?
Look we are not talking about donors here, that is not included in revenue. Those are donations and sure other programs are getting more money out of their alums no doubt. But how in the world is any other program bringing in this kind of cash every year? Explain that to me. I mean none of those schools are hosting an invitational that brings in 90 mens and 90 womens teams...
If we had an indoor or outdoor track we could generate revenue, we would have the ability to host a top notch indoor or outdoor invitational. You don't think the Drake Relays became big over night do you? It is an event that developed over time, you have to start somewhere. See that's the problem many of these folks that claim to be Sycamore fans live in a damn hole. They have the best Cross Country Course in nation and they want to find ways to say yeah but.... Yeah but, you only are making money from entry fees. Yeah but, their are other programs making more money. Yeah but, football makes more money.
I am tired of having to defend the best program this university has past, present and future... It must make you all sick that this is the best athletic program this university has to offer right now... Because it doesn't matter what I post on here about how good the Track and Cross Country teams are or how they do actually generate money, how they really don't cost the university much money compared to other programs and how they could make money if they had a new program. But someone always has a rebuttal... You wanted numbers I gave you numbers, you want conference titles I gave you conference titles, you want all Americans I gave you several of those, you want National Champions I gave you several of those, you want MVC Coach of the year awards I gave you several of those. GET THE POINT? THIS IS THE BEST WE GOT BOYS!
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No one's arguing with you about how good they are or have been. I think "best program this university has past, present, and future" is a little overboard but I am in agreeance with you about their success. The teams are made up of great people and I love the coaches! Unfortunately it comes down to the fact that it's cross country and track and more people are interested in the other sports and that means more apt to donate money to those programs, not to an indoor track facility. That's just reality.
I'm telling you Morgan, RAG up buddy!
Come in from the ledge
I know of no ISU national champions in X-Ctry, track -- yes; Hyche, Lancaster, et al.
Yes, State track and x-cty are great, low cost teams but at the end of the day, it's 'butts in seats.'
As to revenue -- we can all argue, don't think we'll ever agree.
I know of no ISU national champions in X-Ctry, track -- yes; Hyche, Lancaster, et al.
Yes, State track and x-cty are great, low cost teams but at the end of the day, it's 'butts in seats.'
As to revenue -- we can all argue, don't think we'll ever agree.
Didn't we have the National Champ in the Pole Vault THIS year?
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Morgan,
A couple of starting points:
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Morgan,
A couple of starting points:
To Incorporate in Indiana
Submit 2 sets of Articles of Incorporation (original plus a copy) to:
Secretary of State
Corporations Division
302 W. Washington Street, Rm. E018
Indianapolis, IN 46204
Information: (317) 232-6576
Fax: (317) 233-3387
Web Site: www.in.gov/sos
Filing Fee: $30
To Obtain 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Status
Submit Form 1023, Application for Recognition of Exemption to:
Note new address:
Internal Revenue Service
P.O. Box 12192
Covington, KY 41012-0192
Information: (800) 829-1040
Forms: (800) 829-3676
Web Site: www.irs.gov/charities
Filing Fee: $750 ($300 if revenues less than $10,000/year)
To Obtain Indiana Income Tax Exemption
The Corporate Income Tax in Indiana was repealed in January, 2003.
To Obtain Indiana Sales Tax Exemption
To obtain sales tax exemption the organization must submit Form NP-20A along with a copy of the IRS determination letter, Articles of Incorporation, and bylaws to:
Indiana Department of Revenue
Nonprofit Section, Room N203
100 North Senate Avenue
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2253
Information: (317) 232-2188
Web Site: www.in.gov/dor
Note: Once sales tax exemption has been granted by the DOR, the organization must supply each vendor with a sales tax exemption certificate, Form ST-105.
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Indoor and Outdoor National Champion in the Pole Vault just this year, how soon we all forget. What a shame!
4Q you are right we are not going to agree on this, because if all it had to do with was "butt's in the seat" then football would have been gone a long time ago. For the last 5 years no 1 has been going to watch them play and I don't care how much money you think they are making of those 1 time a year money games. They are not making as much revenue as you all think they are making. Esp. when they spend that much money on renovations. They will operate at a loss yet again this year. I can assure you that at the end of the day the Cross Country program and as a combined effort will not operate at a loss this year.
I am not trying to pin Cross Country or Track up with revenue sports like Football and Hoops. Hell I like football and hoops a hell of a lot better than I like Cross Country. I two would rather watch a NCAA college basketball game the a Cross Country meet, you got me! What get's me is really the fact that you all are ignoring the facts and that is the same thing the University has done for some time. They turn their head to an obvious need... Not to mention it is deserved.
4Q you are right we are not going to agree on this, because if all it had to do with was "butt's in the seat" then football would have been gone a long time ago. For the last 5 years no 1 has been going to watch them play and I don't care how much money you think they are making of those 1 time a year money games. They are not making as much revenue as you all think they are making. Esp. when they spend that much money on renovations. They will operate at a loss yet again this year. I can assure you that at the end of the day the Cross Country program and as a combined effort will not operate at a loss this year.
I am not trying to pin Cross Country or Track up with revenue sports like Football and Hoops. Hell I like football and hoops a hell of a lot better than I like Cross Country. I two would rather watch a NCAA college basketball game the a Cross Country meet, you got me! What get's me is really the fact that you all are ignoring the facts and that is the same thing the University has done for some time. They turn their head to an obvious need... Not to mention it is deserved.
Yep -- NCAA Indoor AND Outdoor Pole Vault Champion
Kylie Hutson
I just didn't take the time to grab her name off GoSycamores.com
No intention of demeaning her accomplishments
Morgan;
2-3 people have offered a total of ~$300-$450 towards the Sycamores RAG; that's possibly 1/2 the cost of the legal filings...
Kylie Hutson
I just didn't take the time to grab her name off GoSycamores.com
No intention of demeaning her accomplishments
Morgan;
2-3 people have offered a total of ~$300-$450 towards the Sycamores RAG; that's possibly 1/2 the cost of the legal filings...
I know I know I work for a non for profit I understand the process... Thanks for posting the mailing information you saved me the effort. I will be sure to include you and Boda both on the committee...
No problem...
may be harder for me to work from 'afar'
but it's time the alumni started doing more; either with or w/out State
may be harder for me to work from 'afar'
but it's time the alumni started doing more; either with or w/out State
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More 'fuel' for the Sycamores RAG
The Coughlan Cup is an “all-sports trophy” for Missouri Valley Conference cross country and track & field teams with points awarded based on a team’s finish in men and women’s cross country, indoor track and field, and outdoor track and field championship meets.
The cup was named by Steve Rainbolt of Wichita State in honor of John Coughlan, long time Illinois State coach who is the only coach in MVC history to have won all six championships in his career as a head coach.
Indiana State has won six Coughlan Cups over the past 17 years, the most of any Missouri Valley Conference school. Wichita State, Northern Iowa and Southern Illinois have three each with Illinois State winning two.
Southern Illinois won the 2008-2009 cup after securing championships in men’s cross country, women’s indoor track & field, and women’s outdoor track & field. The Salukis were second in men’s outdoor track & field, third in men’s indoor track & field, and fourth in women’s cross country.
Indiana State finished third with second place finishes in men’s cross country and men’s indoor track & field. The Sycamores were third in both the men’s and women’s outdoor track & field championships, fourth in the indoor women’s track & field championship, and sixth in women’s cross country.
Over the past 17 years, the Sycamores have been the dominant school of the six championships in the Missouri Valley with an average place finish of 3.08 and a 17-year point total of 314.5. Northern Iowa is second with 363.5 points and an average finish of 3.56. The Indiana State men have an average finish of 2.85 during that time period with a total of 145.5 points, second best in the conference. The Sycamore women have an average finish of 3.31 and 169 points, also second best in the conference.
Over the past five years, however, Indiana State is third with 102.5 points and an average finish of 3.42. The Sycamore men have an average finish of 2.23 and 33.5 points, best in the conference, while the ISU women have an average finish of 4.60 and 69 points, sixth best in the conference.
The Coughlan Cup is an “all-sports trophy” for Missouri Valley Conference cross country and track & field teams with points awarded based on a team’s finish in men and women’s cross country, indoor track and field, and outdoor track and field championship meets.
The cup was named by Steve Rainbolt of Wichita State in honor of John Coughlan, long time Illinois State coach who is the only coach in MVC history to have won all six championships in his career as a head coach.
Indiana State has won six Coughlan Cups over the past 17 years, the most of any Missouri Valley Conference school. Wichita State, Northern Iowa and Southern Illinois have three each with Illinois State winning two.
Southern Illinois won the 2008-2009 cup after securing championships in men’s cross country, women’s indoor track & field, and women’s outdoor track & field. The Salukis were second in men’s outdoor track & field, third in men’s indoor track & field, and fourth in women’s cross country.
Indiana State finished third with second place finishes in men’s cross country and men’s indoor track & field. The Sycamores were third in both the men’s and women’s outdoor track & field championships, fourth in the indoor women’s track & field championship, and sixth in women’s cross country.
Over the past 17 years, the Sycamores have been the dominant school of the six championships in the Missouri Valley with an average place finish of 3.08 and a 17-year point total of 314.5. Northern Iowa is second with 363.5 points and an average finish of 3.56. The Indiana State men have an average finish of 2.85 during that time period with a total of 145.5 points, second best in the conference. The Sycamore women have an average finish of 3.31 and 169 points, also second best in the conference.
Over the past five years, however, Indiana State is third with 102.5 points and an average finish of 3.42. The Sycamore men have an average finish of 2.23 and 33.5 points, best in the conference, while the ISU women have an average finish of 4.60 and 69 points, sixth best in the conference.
SycamoreFan317
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Morgan, the numbers you presented were not hard numbers so who are you to be second guessing. Earlier this summer you dissed RP on this board now you are openly second guessing an Assistant AD you definitely do not stay at Holiday Inn Express.
Nice thanks for posting this! Good stuff right their... I expect the Sycamores to claim this once again this season. They have so many new talented guys on the distance squad and we will have a more experienced Track team this season. I look forward to a big year year from these two teams!
SycamoreFan317
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Just for the record I am neutral about this project at this point in time. With the University having a fund raising campaign underway I am not sure if now would be the best time for the track, xcountry community to have their own fund raising campaign. Some may look at it as if they are trying to put themselves in front of the University. Does anybody agree or disagree?