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Yeah I tend to agree with that a little bit... I mean that's part of the reason I want the University to address this as a priority. I mean if they would come out and say that they are looking for ways for funding a renovation to the west end of the hyper building then that would give everyone a incentive...
 

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Yeah I guess you haven't sat in some of the meetings that my insiders have then have you? Trust me this goes higher than the athletic office they have seen this thing and they know that something needs to be done.

Are you speaking for the athletic department when you say this is not going to happen? I just want to get that strait? And when you say they will turn it down "almost immediately", are you telling me theirs a chance that they won't? Because almost immediately and immediately are two different things. I really like my chances with the almost in their. Sycamore 23 I don't think you understand the importance of a facility like this.

If you don't think we are going to get an indoor track that's fine I can respect that. But the question now becomes, why in the world has this not been a priority? It's not like they haven't known about the need for a new indoor track, however they continue to put money into programs that don't produce results. I am talking about a basic reward system that rewards programs for winning. If you don't do that what the heck is the incentive to win? Besides keeping your job.
 
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But they aren't - that's the point. We just renovated the football stadium, tennis courts (crap), track (regardless of its insignificance it still cost money), were supposed to put air conditioning in the south gym but are instead pushing it back to next year because of some asbestos which we will spend money on to have eliminated, plus softball is receiving some upgrades with their field, and not to mention are beginning to build a brand new million dollar baseball complex. So although I think it would be awesome to see an indoor track facility, it isn't going to happen anytime soon. The administrators will turn it down almost immediately.
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You know what at the end of the day none of this really matters. Because if I go to Indiana State with a $8 million check in hand, I think that Indiana State will do the right thing and do everything in their power to get a $14 million indoor track complex, don't you? I mean because I could always send that money back to the donors. Access makes that a real simple process.. lol
 
Morgan is in his twenties if I'm not mistaken, so if he has a child running Track at State already, we may want to get him in touch with some of the major news outlets because if we sell his story of fathering children at like age 4 or 5, I think we could bank some serious coin which would pay for the track in the first place.
 

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What happened where did that post go? Huh? You didn't want to keep that post up, hmmm. You took that down pretty quick. I am just going to let you know that was a pretty good move. Because I have some pretty "hott" news right now that I really didn't want to have to be the one to leak. You know because I don't know anything and all... Ha. right....
 
If Ron Prettyman is aware of this project, and I'm sure he is or Morgan wouldn't talk like he was, you can be sure that he's totally open to finding ways to pay for it. I doubt it's at the top of his priority list, but he is always looking for funding to get his projects done, and this is no different. Come to him with a 50% commitment, and I'll bet he'll jump to get the other half...
 
ITF he is well aware of it and so are his higher ups. I can say that with absolute certainty that they have seen the renderings for this project. And for someone from the athletic to get on here and tell me that know one cares about track like Sycamore23 did that's not a very smart move. Esp. considering those drawings were done for the university as a free proposal no strings attached. I mean someone took time out of their day to do those and 23 pretty much told us it was all for not because track and field didn't matter... Is that not what you said 23, before you hit that smooth delete button on your post? Lucky for you, I was sure to make copy of that post for "future" reference...

Something tells me if John McNichols had drawings for a new indoor track that he would be having conversations with the necessary people behind closed doors to move this project forward.

Don't ya think?
 
Full Disclosure...

Fess up Morgan -- You drew up the plans for an indoor track facility, didn't you?

Bought a easy CAD program and spent a couple of hours over the weekend??

:p
 

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I don't even know what CAD stands for... lol That might make me sound really un-educated, however I don't deal with those kind of things. But yeah I just did those things up real sweet and put a number on it, that's why it was such a broad number $10 to 20 million. Not because the design had several add on's and removables, just that I didn't know what a "real" number for something like this would cost.. lol

But 23 has also educated us about the athletic departments funds, they quote "don't have any money". Nice... Glad we are all well aware of the financial statement of the Indiana State University Athletic Department. I need to know how much money I need to raise.
 
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Morgan said:
I don't even know what CAD stands for... lol That might make me sound really un-educated, however I don't deal with those kind of things. But yeah I just did those things up real sweet and put a number on it, that's why it was such a broad number $10 to 20 million. Not because the design had several add on's and removables, just that I didn't know what a "real" number for something like this would cost.. lol

But 23 has also educated us about the athletic departments funds, they quote "don't have any money". Nice... Glad we are all well aware of the financial statement of the Indiana State University Athletic Department, did the Assistant AD beside you tell you to say that also or did you come up with that number on your own? I am really just curious, I need to know how much money I need to raise.[/QUOTE

My recent experience with the State and educational building projects tells me that you better plan on raising pretty close to 100%, especially since this will be seen as having NO educational value. Our local school corporation was flat out told do not bring any athletic only building projects to the State for approval for they will be turned down. We were able to get a swimming pool through after multiple re-designs. To get the baseball field done the baseball parents formed their own corporation and floated a $50K loan to buy the materials at cost and got donated labor. New lights for the football and softball fields was the direct result of a private donation. Improvements to the main gymnasium will be done with a public/private arrangement.

The State would probably be more likely to be willing to build a parking garage for students to park in before agreeing to put money for a facility that will be for athletes only for they do not care about past successes or failures.
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317 I think that's prolly a reasonable expectation. Sad but reasonable...

At least you all have been able to get on here and discuss this with me. I really appreciate those of you who have supported my opinion and would support a new facility being built. It's good to get these possible road blocks discussed now instead of later...
 
Cad...

CAD = Computer Assisted Design

http://www1.indstate.edu/ecmet/acad/minor_cad.htm

Not to minimize but think drafting (blueprints) on steroids.

Shoot, folks are designing their own homes today; w/ a PC.

As to the state not funding athletic facilities...

Could be a recession-thing...

Could be a centrally-funded Elementary/Middle/Secondary educational system in Indiana.

Aren't the majority of local schools now funded centrally out of Indy?
Is this it thinly veiled "Robin Hood' Law?
 
The State controls all building funding. You must appear before the DGLF and explain your building project. The colleges and university s have a different committee to go through but still the state approves all projects. Purdue just had their building projects brought to a halt by the State because of their tuition increase that they would not re-consider.
 

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Morgan

I really think that you would be more successful if you would take your campaign behind closed doors and make your pitch directly with the decision makers. I guarantee you that no bonus points are being made by bashing the administration on this forum and in the newspaper for their decision making. Talk to them behind close doors be positive and do not second guess their decisons in public and last of all be patient. If you think that they will build off of whatever plans they have been given, you are dead wrong they will get their own plans done. I suspect that the administration will have the same concerns about the project that I am starting to have and that is ROI. Yes the programs have been successful and some others have not been, but the potential return of the unsuccessful ones is much greater. True Example: I have a employee that turned a number of small opportunities into regular customers and I had another employee that had been pretty consistent with bringing in business with much larger companies that was much more profitable, but he was an alcoholic that got way out of hand. I chose to invest more money in him for rehab than the bonus I paid my other employee because of POTENTIAL ROI. This is strictly a management decision and I guarantee you that any employee that goes around bashing me for it will not be accumulating any goodwill. I encourage you to think about what I have written and if you decide to take my advice please give us updates from time to time, positive ones.
 
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Yeah thanks for posting this... You know sure IU has a little more money to put toward new track surface (that's what that 1.5 is going toward), but they already had the best surface in the state of Indiana.

I still say you walk in the office at I-State with 8 Mill they are going to find what ever means necessary to fund your project... It instantly becomes the next project on the list.317 you are willing to make the same financial commitment as others on this forum made to our cause I assume? lol I mean I already have a $500 commitment from members of Sycamorehoops.com and that's without actually being aggressive. lol
 
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