Top 68 teams per Jay Bilas

[dino]

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10251804/arizona-wildcats-top-jay-bilas-ranking-68-best-teams-college-basketball

this was posted before win at drake

Indiana state came in at # 62.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Thanks for sharing... What does it say about us? Anything?

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[Southgrad07]

Basically we can score the ball, especially from deep. Need to improve our defense and rebounding to beat WSU.

 

[GuardShock]

I don't understand the fact that we need to improve our rebounding. We out rebound our opponents a lot! As of late we have been on the O-Boards a lot and I like it!

 

[sycamorebacker]

I don't understand the fact that we need to improve our rebounding. We out rebound our opponents a lot! As of late we have been on the O-Boards a lot and I like it!

That's right. Our rebounds had been low some this year because our FG% and defensive FG% were high. I think we rank pretty well in the conference in per cent of rebounds. And some of our guys have been rebounding better.

 

[GuardShock]

I wanna give credit to Manny, Kristian, and Brandon Burnett. I seem to find them around the rim a lot as of late! Those second chance points win games!

 

[Southgrad07]

I don't understand the fact that we need to improve our rebounding. We out rebound our opponents a lot! As of late we have been on the O-Boards a lot and I like it!

Yeah I thought the same thing. We are no juggernaut on the glass but we hold our own. As you said we become an above average rebounding team when guys like Arop and Smith get involved on the glass.

 

[dino]

in my own words: just do it, just need to rebound!!! it doesnt necessarily say that we need to improve our rebounding. but you could argue that improving rebounding and rebounding are the same thing. A means to an end.

oh yeah, and play defense

"rebound or play defense... there is no try." -yoda

 

[Jason Svoboda]

We've got a plus differential on rebounding. The only way it is going to go up is by playing better defense because we also have the worst FG% defense in the Valley. To have the former with the latter is pretty impressive to be quite honest.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Top 68 teams per jay bilas

Compelling arguments here folks...

But let's be clear about something, winning basketball teams out rebound the opposition.

Loss @ Belmont, ISU -7

Loss V. Tulane, ISU -11

Loss @ SLU, ISU -12

You guys can spin away all you want, about why teams rebounded and how you don't think we are a bad rebounding team.

In our 3 conference wins so far this season

Win vs. Loyola, ISU + 11

Win @ Evansville, ISU + 8

Win @ Drake, ISU + 2

You want to be considered one of the better teams in the nation then rebound like it. When Manny, KSmith and Gant rebound like they are capable we are going to be in position to win basketball games. We've only been out rebounded in 2 of our wins.

 

[Southgrad07]

Compelling arguments here folks...

But let's be clear about something, winning basketball teams out rebound the opposition.

Loss @ Belmont, ISU -7

Loss V. Tulane, ISU -11

Loss @ SLU, ISU -12

You guys can spin away all you want, about why teams rebounded and how you don't think we are a bad rebounding team.

In our 3 conference wins so far this season

Win vs. Loyola, ISU + 11

Win @ Evansville, ISU + 8

Win @ Drake, ISU + 2

You want to be considered one of the better teams in the nation then rebound like it. When Manny, KSmith and Gant rebound like they are capable we are going to be in position to win basketball games.

Oh shit we lost to Tulane too! haha I agree with what your saying though. Its not the number of rebounds we grab, its whether or not we get more then the other team on a nightly basis. We've got the athletes and size to do it!

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Compelling arguments here folks...

But let's be clear about something, winning basketball teams out rebound the opposition.

Loss @ Belmont, ISU -7

Loss V. Tulane, ISU -11

Loss @ SLU, ISU -12

You guys can spin away all you want, about why teams rebounded and how you don't think we are a bad rebounding team.

In our 3 conference wins so far this season

Win vs. Loyola, ISU + 11

Win @ Evansville, ISU + 8

Win @ Drake, ISU + 2

You want to be considered one of the better teams in the nation then rebound like it. When Manny, KSmith and Gant rebound like they are capable we are going to be in position to win basketball games. We've only been out rebounded in 2 of our wins.

If you want to look at a particular game in a vacuum, that's fine, but there are multiple reasons why you can be out rebounded that have nothing to do with being a poor rebounding team. For example, turnovers lead to more shot attempts which can lead to more rebounds. Free throws is another -- if we have a giant advantage in the FT department, odds are the opposing team will out rebound us because the statistical likelihood of getting an OR on a FT is very low compared to any other shot. This isn't even going into lineup or personnel variables.

To just make a blanket statement that we're a bad rebounding team doesn't work and stats would say we've slightly above average. The only ways we're going to get better numbers is 1) to play better defense and lower our opponent FG shooting percentage to create more defensive rebound attempts and 2) to become a better offensive rebounding team.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Top 68 teams per jay bilas

If you want to look at a particular game in a vacuum, that's fine, but there are multiple reasons why you can be out rebounded that have nothing to do with being a poor rebounding team. For example, turnovers lead to more shot attempts which can lead to more rebounds. Free throws is another -- if we have a giant advantage in the FT department, odds are the opposing team will out rebound us because the statistical likelihood of getting an OR on a FT is very low compared to any other shot. This isn't even going into lineup or personnel variables.

To just make a blanket statement that we're a bad rebounding team doesn't work and stats would say we've slightly above average. The only ways we're going to get better numbers is 1) to play better defense and lower our opponent FG shooting percentage to create more defensive rebound attempts and 2) to become a better offensive rebounding team.

You know Jason, ITF and whoever else can "like" your post, fact remains I gave statistical evidence looking at 6 (a total of six) different game - that is as far from a "vaccum" or "blanket statement" about rebounding that I could have made.

I'm glad you brought up turnovers (+ = fewer than opposition):

Loss @ Belmont, ISU +1 turnovers

Loss vs Tulane, ISU +1 turnovers

Loss @ SLU, ISU -2 turnovers

And I'm really glad you brought up free throws. Really good stat to bring up Jason, especially when looking at games you win vs. games you lose. Because you and I both know, a lot of times the team that gets to the line the most wins the game!

Loss @ Belmont (29-36) 80% ISU (24-29) 82%

Loss vs. Tulane (15-19) 79% ISU (15-22) 68%

Loss & SLU (27-34) 79% ISU (15-21) 71%

So in our 3 losses the opposition has shot a combined 17 more free throws than us, turned it over the same amount as us and yet we've been out rebounded in those games by a combined 30 rebounds!! (30)

Put a blanket on that all you want, but you aint going to cover up the fact that when we have lost basketball games we haven't rebounded the basketball well. Free throw shoot attempts and turnovers have been discredited in our losses, so go ahead and come up with a different theory.

Let this be a lesson to future posters, if your going to "Like" a thread you better make damn well sure you know what you "Like" because I'm going to go ahead and call you out for trying to add value to said post.

 

[IndyTreeFan]

You know Jason, ITF and whoever else can "like" your post, fact remains I gave statistical evidence looking at 6 (a total of six) different game - that is as far from a "vaccum" or "blanket statement" about rebounding that I could have made.

I'm glad you brought up turnovers (+ = fewer than opposition):

Loss @ Belmont, ISU +1 turnovers

Loss vs Tulane, ISU +1 turnovers

Loss @ SLU, ISU -2 turnovers

And I'm really glad you brought up free throws. Really good stat to bring up Jason, especially when looking at games you win vs. games you lose. Because you and I both know, a lot of times the team that gets to the line the most wins the game!

Loss @ Belmont (29-36) 80% ISU (24-29) 82%

Loss vs. Tulane (15-19) 79% ISU (15-22) 68%

Loss & SLU (27-34) 79% ISU (15-21) 71%

So in our 3 losses the opposition has shot a combined 17 more free throws than us, turned it over the same amount as us and yet we've been out rebounded in those games by a combined 30 rebounds!! (30)

Put a blanket on that all you want, but you aint going to cover up the fact that when we have lost basketball games we haven't rebounded the basketball well. Free throw shoot attempts and turnovers have been discredited in our losses, so go ahead and come up with a different theory.

:razz:

 

[Callmedoc]

You know Jason, ITF and whoever else can "like" your post, fact remains I gave statistical evidence looking at 6 (a total of six) different game - that is as far from a "vaccum" or "blanket statement" about rebounding that I could have made.

I'm glad you brought up turnovers (+ = fewer than opposition):

Loss @ Belmont, ISU +1 turnovers

Loss vs Tulane, ISU +1 turnovers

Loss @ SLU, ISU -2 turnovers

And I'm really glad you brought up free throws. Really good stat to bring up Jason, especially when looking at games you win vs. games you lose. Because you and I both know, a lot of times the team that gets to the line the most wins the game!

Loss @ Belmont (29-36) 80% ISU (24-29) 82%

Loss vs. Tulane (15-19) 79% ISU (15-22) 68%

Loss & SLU (27-34) 79% ISU (15-21) 71%

So in our 3 losses the opposition has shot a combined 17 more free throws than us, turned it over the same amount as us and yet we've been out rebounded in those games by a combined 30 rebounds!! (30)

Put a blanket on that all you want, but you aint going to cover up the fact that when we have lost basketball games we haven't rebounded the basketball well. Free throw shoot attempts and turnovers have been discredited in our losses, so go ahead and come up with a different theory.

Let this be a lesson to future posters, if your going to "Like" a thread you better make damn well sure you know what you "Like" because I'm going to go ahead and call you out for trying to add value to said post.

For christs sake we lost to Tulsa not Tulane

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

For christs sake we lost to Tulsa not Tulane

That is probably the least important part of this discussion... In fact, it has nothing to do with anything.

But thanks for your input, you've found something "wrong" with my post(s)!! Clapping for you!

 

[Callmedoc]

That is probably the least important part of this discussion... In fact, it has nothing to do with anything.

But thanks for your input, you've found something "wrong" with my post(s)!! Clapping for you!

A loss to Tulsa and a loss to Tulane are two totally different things. In fact I would be saddened by a loss to Tulane. Like really?! Tulane? Tulsa on the other hand seems to have a decent squad. I would say that a correction was needed and I wasnt the first one to do it. love you.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

A loss to Tulsa and a loss to Tulane are two totally different things. In fact I would be saddened by a loss to Tulane. Like really?! Tulane? Tulsa on the other hand seems to have a decent squad. I would say that a correction was needed and I wasnt the first one to do it. love you.

No no, as a former writer for the Statesman I'm sure you've never made any trival mistakes have you?!?!

Again, if that is all you have to add to this discussion then thanks for letting me know your paying attention.

I don't take your correction personal. I will make sure it never happens again.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

You know Jason, ITF and whoever else can "like" your post, fact remains I gave statistical evidence looking at 6 (a total of six) different game - that is as far from a "vaccum" or "blanket statement" about rebounding that I could have made.

I'm glad you brought up turnovers (+ = fewer than opposition):

Loss @ Belmont, ISU +1 turnovers

Loss vs Tulane, ISU +1 turnovers

Loss @ SLU, ISU -2 turnovers

And I'm really glad you brought up free throws. Really good stat to bring up Jason, especially when looking at games you win vs. games you lose. Because you and I both know, a lot of times the team that gets to the line the most wins the game!

Loss @ Belmont (29-36) 80% ISU (24-29) 82%

Loss vs. Tulane (15-19) 79% ISU (15-22) 68%

Loss & SLU (27-34) 79% ISU (15-21) 71%

So in our 3 losses the opposition has shot a combined 17 more free throws than us, turned it over the same amount as us and yet we've been out rebounded in those games by a combined 30 rebounds!! (30)

Put a blanket on that all you want, but you aint going to cover up the fact that when we have lost basketball games we haven't rebounded the basketball well. Free throw shoot attempts and turnovers have been discredited in our losses, so go ahead and come up with a different theory.

Let this be a lesson to future posters, if your going to "Like" a thread you better make damn well sure you know what you "Like" because I'm going to go ahead and call you out for trying to add value to said post.

Now chart rebounds. Who was on the floor when those boards happened? Any sizable height mismatches? Foul trouble? Abnormalty of long rebounds?

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Top 68 teams per jay bilas

Now chart rebounds. Who was on the floor when those boards happened? Any sizable height mismatches? Foul trouble? Abnormalty of long rebounds?

I'm not saying we are a "bad" rebounding team Jason. I am saying, supporting stats exsist to show this is an area we could do better. That is all.

I think it becomes a VERY important stat for us when playing a team like Wichita State.

I think if you look at this team and say what are two stat areas that they could improve?

FG% Allowed and Rebounding and they go hand in hand. If you improve one (FG%) you likely improve the other.

We've actually our rebounded the opposition in the season 480 to 448 allowed which ranks 48th in the nation and #1 in the MoVal - so again, not that we are a bad rebounding team. But in our losses, we've been smoked on the glass and it's not because of turnovers or free throw margin.