you said they are terrible this year AND last year.... so if people are going to call for Lansing's head with his overall W/L and MVC records being over .500... why AREN'T people calling for her head with her sub .500 record
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Deehee33
The Sycamore Level
Hopefully, Lansing can win enough to get another job. Its ok to leave with no bad blood. The ISU coaching vacancy would give another coach a chance at building the program.
redhotgranny
The White Level
I don't know how much is left on her contract. Do you?
no clue, she's in the 3d year of her contract; has a record of 20-56 (9-38 MVC) -- hell, that's Ron Greene levels of "success"
I hope that this isn't taken the wrong way, but it's because no one really cares about women's basketball. I didn't even know how we were doing until I saw a MVC post on my Instagram with the WBB Standings. I didn't even know how bad we were in previous years until I looked out of curiosity.
At most D1 schools people care about football (if they have a team) and men's basketball. Some schools care about one a little more than the other usually, but those two sports are the priority.
Baseball usually comes in third place on the priority list. In warmer climates college baseball schools, especially in the ACC and SEC draw huge crowds of close to 10,000 per game. Smaller schools bring in a decent amount as well. We get some decent crowds towards the end of the season when it finally gets warm, but our crowd sizes suffer because we're a northern school.
Women's basketball is a very distant 4th and is definitely overshadowed by the men. Any other sports are complete afterthoughts.
From Hoops Insider:
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"It is widely believed Lansing is the lowest paid head coach for the worst financed program in the Valley. Those with knowledge of the situation, tell me Lansing’s offseason approach to Clinkscales did not include a desire for a raise, but rather an additional two years to coach his current players to graduation and to keep his current coaching staff intact. He was apparently refused."
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(St. Louis, MO) –"It is widely believed Lansing is the lowest paid head coach for the worst financed program in the Valley. Those with knowledge of the situation, tell me Lansing’s offseason approach to Clinkscales did not include a desire for a raise, but rather an additional two years to coach his current players to graduation and to keep his current coaching staff intact. He was apparently refused."
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I have no idea why I am commenting in this thread... Other than to say would it give another coach a chance at building the program? At what price?
1. Good chance Key comes back if Lansing is retained. He’s definitely gone if Lansing is gone.
2. Tre Williams and Jake LaRavia will likely opt out and transfer if Lansing isn’t retained.
3. You’ve got multiple key donors who will walk with Lansing. Those individuals might not be as significant as some think in the grand scheme of things - but they’re significant enough that a donor push to get Lansing out sooner has never materialized.
4. The budget doesn’t change - all other factors remain constant.
5. Jake Odum likely gone too right? I mean a new coach would retain him? Unlikely.
6. You’ve got Cooper, Williams, Jake and maybe Key back next year - any chance of landing a nice transfer to go along with that nucleus is gone.
I could probably think of more but will leave it at that. In closing (this is my first I think and final post in this thread) Indiana State tried to renew Lansing after last season and then COVID happened and things got squirrelly... No offer came to GL liking - at that point Indiana State would have been better off saying we’ve decided to mutually part ways at seasons end. They didn’t do that and now they’ve backed themselves into a corner. He’s got enough going for him that he should probably be back - but they didn’t want him back last season and not much has really changed. He has the season we expected them to have. Not much better. Not worse.
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sycamore tuff
The Renn Level
Most people don't care about women's sports. I turned on the radio a few days ago and ISU basketball pregame was on the air. I listened to it till I realized that it was a women's game. They never even told the audience it was women. A casual listener might have thought the men's team sucked this year. If not for politicians there would not be women's sports at the college level. If not for NBA teams subsidizing the wnba it would not exist.
But they did care at one time and then everything went South. Jim Wiedie filled the stands and generated much enthusiasm. we had some great local players. Then Wiedie got bounced ...for my money was the biggest reason was that he got along like oil and water with the AD who had wanted him gone as soon as he got here. Then Weddle took over. A local guy people loved. His sister was a star on the team. I believe he would have done whatever possible to generate enthusiasm and make us a winner. But we hired someone else who left the team in a lurch and could have cared less about us or the team ... and we kept spiraling downwards .... Wiedie had done the impossible and we did not realize it ... and after the success we have still did not realized the importance of a local connection.
Guessing you reaaallllyyy don't like the 14th Amendment... or the late Senator Birch E. Bayh, Jr, guessing his "status" as a former alumnus adds to your dislike?
This is rather specious reasoning. You can't look at the total number of losses, as most coaches before him lost so many games that they were fired after 2-4 seasons. It's like saying a guy in the major leagues who played for 10 years and had 5,000 at bats had more strikeouts than the guy who played for 3 years and had 1,200 at bats, therefore the guy with the higher number of strikeouts had to be a worse hitter. Of course he had more strikeouts, he had many more at bats.
Wouldn't a better metric be the average amount of wins and losses of a GL coached team vs his recent peers at Indiana State. I have never looked it up, but I would imagine that GL has had an average yearly record that is stronger than the majority of coaches that came before him at State.
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Deehee33
The Sycamore Level
Those people and players can be replaced. Lansing is not doing anything special at ISU. There are a lot of capable coaches who never get the opportunity. If the right Big 10, Big 12, SEC, ACC assistant coach gets the job they might have more to offer than does Lansing. Just a thought
sycamore tuff
The Renn Level
I didn't realize the 14th amendment required colleges to have women's sports. I really don't care that Bayh was a Sycamore. He sponsored a bill that has cost colleges a tremendous amount of money over the years.
What is the 14 Amendment in simple terms?
Fourteenth Amendment, amendment (1868) to the Constitution of the United States that granted citizenship and equal civil and legal rights to African Americans and slaves who had been emancipated after the American Civil War, including them under the umbrella phrase “all persons born or naturalized in the United States. ...
he does, in our recent Div I / MVC era; Lansing has avg'd 16.3 wins, Hodges avg'd 16.8 and King 20.3 but Hodges coached for 4-yrs, King 3 and both had a Top 10 player in the History of the GAME on the roster...
In the history of the program
John Wooden, avg 22 wins per season (2 seasons)
Bob King avg 20.3 wins per season (2 seasons)
John Longfellow avg 19.3 wins per season (6 1/3d seasons)
Bill Hodges avg 16.8 wins per season (4 seasons)
Greg Lansing avg 16.3 wins per season (11 seasons)
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Anyone old enough to remember Chuck STobbs? Led the MLB in losses with 20 losses in 31 starts and an ERA of 5.36 .... in 1957. I loved him as a pitcher ... why do you think he had 31 starts and appeared in 41 games in a 154 game season???? ERA of 2.98 the year after and 3.32 year after that ... WHy so many appearances?
It does -- it's the BASIS for "Equal Treatment Under The Law" agree or disagree but the SCOTUS used it to JUSTIFY / DECIDE Brown vs. Board of Education (1954), Roe vs. Wade (1973), Bush vs. Gore (2000) and Obergefell vs. Hodges (2015)
And you ONLY read part of Section I, the Amendment has five (5) Sections -- apparently you missed this part:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. -- Simply put, ALL Citizens MUST be treated equally.
So, if a publicly funded university is going to provide, fund intercollegiate athletics for male students, it must by law provide the same for female students.
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sycamore tuff
The Renn Level
I understand the Brown vs Board of Education case. Not sure about the others.
Just my little conspiracy theory but maybe Clink didn't want to play spring football for this reason? Hundreds of thousands of dollars (maybe even a mil?) are being saved sitting out this spring. Purdue is going to be REALLY good next year on paper thus Micah Sherwsberry's stock will go way up. He's not coming here for 300k....especially if Purdue has a deep run this year. 400-500k? Maybe yes. And a promise to use the other spring football savings toward upping the basketball budget a little? Maybe Yes. I wouldn't be surprised if these discussions haven't already been had--at least through back-channels.
Maybe because the orig. Washington Senators sucked and Cookie Lavagetto had NO ONE in the bullpen that was better than Stubbs?
I believe they're all grounded in the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment