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Still don’t think we’re in a position to hire someone that is going to be learning to be a head coach on our dime. Our margin for error is still razor thin.

Gotta get a person who has run his own program successfully.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
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I believe Luke Murray is known as one of the masterminds of the UCONN offense. What I don’t know is how that offense translates when you don’t have a 7’2” big that can rim-run surrounded by four other 5 star players. I do agree that they always look prepared and have a good game plan for their opponents, but they also have elite talent.

Murray would be kind of a fun gamble though. Obviously brings some notoriety with his father, but I do think he’s proven himself to be a good coach. I have no idea how involved he is with recruiting, though.
 
BrokerZ said:
I believe Luke Murray is known as one of the masterminds of the UCONN offense. What I don’t know is how that offense translates when you don’t have a 7’2” big that can rim-run surrounded by four other 5 star players. I do agree that they always look prepared and have a good game plan for their opponents, but they also have elite talent.

Murray would be kind of a fun gamble though. Obviously brings some notoriety with his father, but I do think he’s proven himself to be a good coach. I have no idea how involved he is with recruiting, though.
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Again...another guy that if he should have ONE successful season at ISU, he's moving on to the next job.

The NIL is going to make sustainabilty in the Valley extremely hard...the better players will always be moving on. If you had a coach who's going to stay a while(like a coach in the twilight of his career), you have s better chance at a 2-3 year run...more NIL money in the fund to try to keep players, as opposed to spending it on head coaches.
 
BallyPie said:
The NIL is going to make sustainabilty in the Valley extremely hard...
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I think you’re right… But this sentence alone should make you pause and go what decision does Indiana State leadership need to make to make sure we’re staying competitive in basketball?!

- Cut football yesterday and pour all your resources, donor resources and support into the basketball program.

- Cut football with the intent on getting out of the MVC in the next 3 years minimum - 5 years maximum. Where we go?! Not certain - but a basketball conference.

- Start a fundraising campaign for a new Men’s and Women’s on campus practice facility. Find a major donor and put his or her name / company name on the facility.

- Continue to work over the next 3 to 5 years on NIL funding, increased marking efforts and new and creative ways to raise funds for NIL.

- Move homecoming to basketball season. Have a parade and tent city for frats and student organizations downtown.

- Continue to work with local restaurants, bars and the city on “tailgate” concept for select Saturday home games.

We’ve got to start looking into the future and creating our own strategy and plans! We can’t keep letting the MVC, NIL and NCAA dictate how we navigate this crazy landscape.
 
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Bingo..time to proactive and not reactive! The writing is on the wall for what college athletics will turn into. Now to what degree is nil changed and under what umbrella will certain sports be under? Of course that is up in the air..but under every single scenario isu CANNOT afford to fund fb and dream of being competitive in basketball..schools our size will have to pick or just bow out of competitive athletics as a whole..if the university wants to build a brand that will attract students in the future the only solution is the post right above this. We need all public officials in TH to get behind this vision as well bc the future of the downtown is directly tied to the decisions made by ISU athletics.
 
The Valley is ranked 3rd of "basketball conferences" behind only the Big East and A-10. We have the smallest MBB budget in the conference. Our MBB budget is less than half of virtually everyone in the A-10. The A-10 isn't adding a midwest school who isn't in a large metropolitan area (Loyola, SLU) or doesn't have a borderline Big East budget that's triple ours (Dayton, SLU).

The only other conferences ranked ahead of the Valley are the P4 + MWC (+ AAC in some metrics).

ISU is in the best basketball conference it can ever be in. A lot of people really don't understand the conference landscape.
 
I see within 2-3 yrs the valley breaking apart under this new landscape where the nil rules change.. The schools like bradley , drake, belmont who are already solely committed to bball will look to join like minded schools...the ones who have big fb dreams like msu , maybe ill st and uni ?? will have to reduce their bball resources greatly to comply with the new rules and will be forced to join a lesser conference like the summit for other sports, and then there is a 3rd group of schools like us, siu, murray st who have decisions to make..do you go non scholarship or disband your fb programs so the rest of your athletics can survive..or do you just wait to be cannibalized and become irrelevant in everything.
 
Also Jason I know this conversation has went off the rails, feel free to move all of these posts to another thread and then delete this post if you'd like!
 
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The Valley is ranked 3rd of "basketball conferences" behind only the Big East and A-10. We have the smallest MBB budget in the conference. Our MBB budget is less than half of virtually everyone in the A-10. The A-10 isn't adding a midwest school who isn't in a large metropolitan area (Loyola, SLU) or doesn't have a borderline Big East budget that's triple ours (Dayton, SLU).

The only other conferences ranked ahead of the Valley are the P4 + MWC (+ AAC in some metrics).

ISU is in the best basketball conference it can ever be in. A lot of people really don't understand the conference landscape.
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If you've been reading the sports biz related articles I've been posting in the Crossroad of Champions forum, there is a possibility that that the conferences we know today may be changing, especially at our level. Once the P2 has finally eaten their young and are full, the rest will scatter. If the NCAA breaks into three (this is a very popular idea) and you have a college football org, college basketball org, and then non-revenue sports org, you could likely see new conferences drawn up within the top two.

Several of us are now thinking what things look like post NCAA nuke.

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Jason Svoboda said:
If you've been reading the sports biz related articles I've been posting in the Crossroad of Champions forum, there is a possibility that that the conferences we know today may be changing, especially at our level. Once the P2 has finally eaten their young and are full, the rest will scatter. If the NCAA breaks into three (this is a very popular idea) and you have a college football org, college basketball org, and then non-revenue sports org, you could likely see new conferences drawn up within the top two.

Several of us are now thinking what things look like post NCAA nuke.

Crossroad Of Champions

Forum dedicated to Sycamores NLI efforts as well as general college sports business topics of interest. Be sure to check out the Crossroad Of Champions website for more information.
sycamorepride.com sycamorepride.com
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So...is it of your opinion that we should drop football??...

It just seems like the sentiment of alumni I talk to is dropping foitball might be what's best for ISU athletics.

Besides...you could then add Men's Golf.:)
 
BallyPie said:
So...is it of your opinion that we should drop football??...

It just seems like the sentiment of alumni I talk to is dropping foitball might be what's best for ISU athletics.

Besides...you could then add Men's Golf.:)
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Yes, we should drop football.

We do not have a big enough enrollment, donor base, or local market to support two revenue sports at Indiana State. The only way you can justify keeping it is if football fans and alumni start giving $2m+ annually. That number would need to be $10m+ annually to be at the FBS level which is never going to happen. So there is simply no reason to keep up the charade at the FCS level that does not advance the academic profile nor drive enrollment.
 
IndyTreeFan said:
Still don’t think we’re in a position to hire someone that is going to be learning to be a head coach on our dime. Our margin for error is still razor thin.

Gotta get a person who has run his own program successfully.
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I spent about 45 minutes going through the NCAA D2 stats website and I think I'd take a swing at Crutchfield. I know he lost in the D2 Natty yesterday, but with his age, I feel like he'd try to build a program here. His teams just dominate so many statistical categories and the brand of basketball would be something people want to watch. His assistants would be the biggest thing to worry about with lack of D1 recruiting.

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Since most of the guys I was interested in have already been hired or extended and have large buyouts, my backup is Bob Huggins. HoF Coach that is looking for a second chance and has won everywhere. Also approaching his 1,000th win so that would be cool to have that accomplishment at State. His best assistants are also looking for gigs still, too. As a big name, it is likely he could drive fundraising and possibly even get some HMs into Hulman.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
ISince most of the guys I was interested in have already been hired or extended and have large buyouts, my backup is Bob Huggins. HoF Coach that is looking for a second chance and has won everywhere. Also approaching his 1,000th win so that would be cool to have that accomplishment at State. His best assistants are also looking for gigs still, too. As a big name, it is likely he could drive fundraising and possibly even get some HMs into Hulman.
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Surely you're not talking about the WVU Bob Huggins that had a DUI and used a homophobic slur, right? Because man, what an easy way to piss away all the goodwill we've built up over the last couple of years overnight. That POS doesn't belong coaching an Ivy Tech JV team.

The way we've seen this community rally about a coach doing things the right way and a roster full of guys you can't help but love, I'm sick just thinking about the kind of BS Huggins would bring and the character of the players he wound bring in.

Hard pass
 
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Surely you're not talking about the WVU Bob Huggins that had a DUI and used a homophobic slur, right? Because man, what an easy way to piss away all the goodwill we've built up over the last couple of years overnight. That POS doesn't belong coaching an Ivy Tech JV team.
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Yep, I'm aware of his past transgressions. I also believe in second chances. He appears to be sober now and maintaining his sobriety would need to be a conditional part of any deal. I get how he could be a non-starter for some and I respect that opinion as well.
 

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Yep, I'm aware of his past transgressions. I also believe in second chances. He appears to be sober now and maintaining his sobriety would need to be a conditional part of any deal. I get how he could be a non-starter for some and I respect that opinion as well.
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He might even send some mean tweets!!! 🤯🤯🤯
 
Jason Svoboda said:
If the NCAA breaks into three (this is a very popular idea) and you have a college football org, college basketball org, and then non-revenue sports org, you could likely see new conferences drawn up within the top two.
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IMO this is what should be happening already anyways. USC and Ohio State being in the same conference for football makes sense; or Gonzaga and Villanova being in the same league for Basketball makes sense; but none of those school's volleyball teams being in the same league makes any sense.
 
I think I'd rather take Barry Hinson over Huggy Bear.....Barry is an analyst at Ok State and have no idea if he'd want to jump back into coaching. Two things are for certain with him though...He knows the Valley...and his press conferences would be mightily entertaining.
 
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