'11 IN SF Khristian Smith (11/27/2010)

[dr. bucket]

No, he will be a freshmen. Prep schools are like a buffer between High Schools and College.

typically they give someone an extra year of high school to improve grades and/or test scores to gain admission to college. increasingly you are seeing kids leave high school a year early for prep school. lawrence north has had a couple recently. robert vaden was another.

not sure who foots the bill. scholarships?

the ncaa talked about ending this loophole a couple of years ago and having it count as a year of eligibility. nothing happened though.

 

[4Q_iu]

typically they give someone an extra year of high school to improve grades and/or test scores to gain admission to college. increasingly you are seeing kids leave high school a year early for prep school. lawrence north has had a couple recently. robert vaden was another.

not sure who foots the bill. scholarships?

the ncaa talked about ending this loophole a couple of years ago and having it count as a year of eligibility. nothing happened though.

I'd still rather have a kid red-shirt than go the prep school route.

now, if he HAD to go to prep school (PS) in order to gain university admission, I understand the PS route; if it's to gain maturity, strength, etc -- I want him on my campus, not half a country away, being wooed by every Bruce Pearl, Kelvin Sampson and John Calipari in the industry

 

[Sycamore Proud]

So a kid could go to prep school and red shirt as a freshman or any other year?

 

[sycamorebacker]

So a kid could go to prep school and red shirt as a freshman or any other year?

I believe that is correct.

 

[4Q_iu]

I believe that is correct.

Sure -- the Prep school year is 'basically' just another year of high school

Very common for kids (athletes) to go that route...

Just another reason you have 23-24 YO Srs... (unless they're BYU football players and have completed their mission...)

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Small article on Khristian at MCI.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20101210/SPORTS02/12100334/Smith-Beshears-playing-at-Maine-Central-Institute?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFever%7Cs

 

[sycamorebacker]

article about his commit.


http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/1737/MCI-PostGrad-Makes-Pick.php

 

[ISU_TREE_FAN]

So what is this comment at the end of the article:

"He selected Indiana State over schools like Evansville, Drake, IUPUI, and Morehead State but was expected to see recruitment from higher levels following his performance last weekend."

????????????????? Is he committed or just "on-hold" & still looking?

 

[sycamorebacker]

So what is this comment at the end of the article:

"He selected Indiana State over schools like Evansville, Drake, IUPUI, and Morehead State but was expected to see recruitment from higher levels following his performance last weekend."

????????????????? Is he committed or just "on-hold" & still looking?

It means he "would have" been recruited by bigger schools if he had waited, but chose to commit to ISU now.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Ranked 3rd best prep recruit for 2011 by New England Recruiting Report

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/rankings/maine.php

Third ranked Khristian Smith was committed to Cincinnati when he opted to head to MCI, but now looks like a steal for Indiana State.

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/1775/2011-Rankings-Expanded-Maine.php

 

[Bones]

I am surprised that some of you don't know about the prep school stuff. Armon Bassett went to Hargrave Military Academy before going to IU. Prep Schools are for kids who can't get the necessary SAT/ACT scores to get into Division one athletics. It is an alternative to JUCO's. chances are these guys will have a tough time staying eligible.

 

[sycamorebacker]

Most of them don't have any problem and some make excellent grades. I'm not worried. Players go to prep school and then to college all the time.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Yeah let's be real, it's not like staying eligible at Indiana State is difficult. I mean you have to completely not care or try to become ineligible. So I am not really worried about it either and if comes to something like that then good, he doesn't deserve to play college basketball at that point. Like I said, it's not that hard to make a 2.6 gpa at Indiana State, if you can make that and have enough % of degree completed bla bla bla then you are going to be fine. Smith will be coo.

 

[True Blue]

Steve Hart was always academically eligible and he went to prep school, Bassett sdidnt have grade issues that I remember. Some go to prep school so they don't have to burn 2 years at a JC.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Steve Hart was always academically eligible

I was pretty young but if I recall Steve Hart was always board line eligible and I have heard stories of professors being asked to bail Steve Hart out - now how true those stories were, who knows? But I'm not sure he is a good example. lol

 

[True Blue]

I was pretty young but if I recall Steve Hart was always board line eligible and I have heard stories of professors being asked to bail Steve Hart out - now how true those stories were, who knows? But I'm not sure he is a good example. lol

Rumors. We don't know if that's true. Doubt that was happening at IU and he was there for 2 years. Im also fairly confident it didnt happen here with Waltman as coach. I tutored a player at ISU who was "boarderline" eligible. Waltman and the assistants would come to our sessions and ask me how he was doing and have me keep them updated on his progress. They were very involved but in a holding him accountable kind of way. Its a good example because in 4 years of college basketball Hart never missed a game due to academics.

Also last I heard, Hart was a successful financial advisor(or something along those lines) in Minneapolis.

 

[Bones]

Harry Marshall was suspended for half a season because he couldn't stay eligible. He even took a summer math class that i was in, and lets just say he didn't do very well. And for the Armon thing, yes he had academic issues. His sohpomore yr in High School he was suspended for grades. Tom Crean kicked him off the team at IU for similar issues. I believe you are misremembering if you dont think Armon had issues with grades. Dude never got a degree, that is one of the reasons he went pro after lighting up Georgetown last year. So based on what I have seen, yes you can have grade issues at state, and yes prep school guys might be questionable academically. Having said that, Khristian looks like a highflyer and should be a key contributor.

 

[True Blue]

Harry Marshall was suspended for half a season because he couldn't stay eligible. He even took a summer math class that i was in, and lets just say he didn't do very well. And for the Armon thing, yes he had academic issues. His sohpomore yr in High School he was suspended for grades. Tom Crean kicked him off the team at IU for similar issues. I believe you are misremembering if you dont think Armon had issues with grades. Dude never got a degree, that is one of the reasons he went pro after lighting up Georgetown last year. So based on what I have seen, yes you can have grade issues at state, and yes prep school guys might be questionable academically. Having said that, Khristian looks like a highflyer and should be a key contributor.

First off we are talking about college, second off it was his junior year of high school and I'm well aware of it, and thirdly, Crean kicked him off because Armon basically quit and wouldn't come to practice/ conditioning.

I also don't remember Harry Marshall going to prep school. No sure why his name got brought up.

 

[Bones]

I also don't remember Harry Marshall going to prep school. No sure why his name got brought up.

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Because someone sad something like its not that hard to stay eligible at ISU, Harry was our best player at the time and he missed half a season. So it is possible to be declared ineligible at Indiana State.

Yeah let's be real, it's not like staying eligible at Indiana State is difficult. I mean you have to completely not care or try to become ineligible. So I am not really worried about it either and if comes to something like that then good, he doesn't deserve to play college basketball at that point. Like I said, it's not that hard to make a 2.6 gpa at Indiana State, if you can make that and have enough % of degree completed bla bla bla then you are going to be fine.

 

[True Blue]

Because someone sad something like its not that hard to stay eligible at ISU, Harry was our best player at the time and he missed half a season. So it is possible to be declared ineligible at Indiana State.

Ok but we're talking about prep schools. There was also some personal things going on in Harry's life that most don't know about that causes him to be ineligible from what I've heard.