2016 Basketball Coaching Movement

[BankShot]

LOL! Right.

So much of this going on this time of year with a lot of programs. Fans are passionate, but often times passion gets in the way. Was talking with a guy yesterday at work that adamantly wanted to fire Lansing, in fact he wanted to fire him so bad he wanted me to just say we should fire him - in fact, had I just agreed with him we could have ended a conversation that sounded much like an argument but I wasn't going to do that. If you are wondering if the guy was a season ticket holder or a big ISU donor - you already know the answer, of course not. People want Indiana State to be something it is not but they don't want to do anything to try and make it better - they assume bitching and complaing will make it better but in the end the same fundamental problems still exist! Without money and without resources you can't do anything - thus to have a conversation about ISU athletics and keeping or firing a coach you have to have some sort of perspective. If not, it aint even worth having a conversation about it.

I think I saw this on here some place before but a reminder never hurts. Lansing has been here what 6 years? In those 6 years the Sycamores have made the semifinals in the Mo Val Conference Tournament 4 times. Only two other teams in the Valley can say that and both are coached by the two best coaches IMO in the Valley, Wichita State and UNI. So either Greg Lansing is damn lucky and or he has continued to raise the bar - likely some of both. But before you go comparing him to X and saying he should be fired you ought to have a better case than, "well I just don't like him as a person".

So winning one (1) game in "Arch Madness" and making it to the SEMI-FINAL four (4) times is a major ISU achievement in 6 yrs? Maybe it's time to RAISE the bar and experience REAL GROWTH...or continue to be satisfied with a status quo existence? Some of you forget what state ISU is located in.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

So winning one (1) game in "Arch Madness" and making it to the SEMI-FINAL four (4) times is a major ISU achievement in 6 yrs?

Ummm no that is not a major achievement. But with our rich history avoiding Thursday's play in game and making it to the semi-final 4 times in 6 years is in fact a "major ISU achievement in 6 yrs" and would also be an achievement for any other program in the Valley not named Wichita State and UNI. If that fact bothers you, then I gladly would invite you to do something other than complain about how pathetic that is on Sycamore Pride. Because I can assure that the only "REAL GROWTH" taking place on this forum right now is on the CrowdFund Project - that is the only part of this site truely contributing to this "REAL GROWTH" you mention.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Eddie Jordan out at Rutgers. I mean he was 29-67 as a head coach... But some of our fans get pissed off. :smack:

Apparently they want Dan Hurley of Rhode Island.

He was the guy they wanted after the Rice abuse scandal but he said no. Wonder if he says yes now they are in the Big 10?

 

[BankShot]

Ummm no that is not a major achievement. But with our rich history avoiding Thursday's play in game and making it to the semi-final 4 times in 6 years is in fact a "major ISU achievement in 6 yrs" and would also be an achievement for any other program in the Valley not named Wichita State and UNI. If that fact bothers you, then I gladly would invite you to do something other than complain about how pathetic that is on Sycamore Pride. Because I can assure that the only "REAL GROWTH" taking place on this forum right now is on the CrowdFund Project - that is the only part of this site truely contributing to this "REAL GROWTH" you mention.

"Real growth" will occur with the efficient use of resources, which includes 1) having a COACH who knows how to recruit and 2) understands how to develp his recruits. Maybe you should solicit donations from a few of the medical field there @ Union Hospital, or have Bluestreak host a BQ fundraiser on his IL ranch.

Throwing $$$ into the wind will resolve NOTHING. Maybe here lies the TRUE problem in fundraising...the lack of confidence by ISU fans in the current DIRECTION of the basketball program? Weren't you at most of the home games? Why do you think we suffered POOR ATTENDANCE this season among BOTH students and season ticket holders?

 

[bluestreak]

"Real growth" will occur with the efficient use of resources, which includes 1) having a COACH who knows how to recruit and 2) understands how to develp his recruits. Maybe you should solicit donations from a few of the medical field there @ Union Hospital, or have Bluestreak host a BQ fundraiser on his IL ranch.

Throwing $$$ into the wind will resolve NOTHING. Maybe here lies the TRUE problem in fundraising...the lack of confidence by ISU fans in the current DIRECTION of the basketball program?

Good idea, I may do that, but I will DO something.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

"Real growth" will occur with the efficient use of resources, which includes 1) having a COACH who knows how to recruit and 2) understands how to develp his recruits. Maybe you should solicit donations from a few of the medical field there @ Union Hospital, or have Bluestreak host a BQ fundraiser on his IL ranch.

Throwing $$$ into the wind will resolve NOTHING. Maybe here lies the TRUE problem in fundraising...the lack of confidence by ISU fans in the current DIRECTION of the basketball program?

You view it as, "$$$ into the wind" because you my friend chronically complain about anything and everything. I enjoy conversation with you, I enjoy having a drink with you, I enjoy you being on this forum - but you saying that we need a coach who can recruit and develop talent is like Donald Trump saying he likes someone other than himself. In other words, I have trouble getting real excited about having this conversation with you. I don't look at Indiana State basketball and think DUKE! I don't look at Greg Lansing and think Coach K! It takes perspective and if you are insinuating that a CrowdFund Jersey or a CrowdFund IPad fundraising effort on a fan forum is "$$$ into the wind" then I can't help you. Go find me another fan forum in the MVC, hell in the country that has attempted to turn its self into a fundraising arm of the Foundation to try and make a damn difference.

I will give you this - you do drive conversation forward on this forum and you do provide a platform to make a case and for that I say thank you.

 

[bluestreak]

Walter Sobchak:
Am I wrong?

The Dude:
No you're not wrong.

Walter Sobchak:
Am I wrong?

The Dude:
You're not wrong Walter. You're just an asshole.

Walter Sobchak:
All right then.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Throwing $$$ into the wind will resolve NOTHING. Maybe here lies the TRUE problem in fundraising...the lack of confidence by ISU fans in the current DIRECTION of the basketball program? Weren't you at most of the home games? Why do you think we suffered POOR ATTENDANCE this season among BOTH students and season ticket holders?

I missed 2 games this season. 1 work related and 1 family related.


I don't really care to have the attendance conversation again because it is so much deeper than Greg Lansing and this team. As attendance equates to the product on the floor - certainly a season opening loss at home to IUPUI doesn't help, nor does a loss to Eastern IL. So I think two reasons (again as it relates to the team), we never really got any momentum throughout the season - no hype or excitement around this team, I think most people realized we were not very good pretty early on and were not going any place - thus our fan support stayed pretty much level or dropped off throughout the season. Second, I don't think the product on the floor was very fun to watch. Blame Lansing, blame the talent, blame whoever you want for this - he is the coach he certainly deserves his fair share of blame.

 

[BankShot]

Walter Sobchak:
Am I wrong?

The Dude:
No you're not wrong.

Walter Sobchak:
Am I wrong?

The Dude:
You're not wrong Walter. You're just an asshole.

Walter Sobchak:
All right then.

Such wit...hope it doesn't cause the pigs to stampede before the BQ.:cheeky:

 

[BankShot]

You view it as, "$$$ into the wind" because you my friend chronically complain about anything and everything. I enjoy conversation with you, I enjoy having a drink with you, I enjoy you being on this forum - but you saying that we need a coach who can recruit and develop talent is like Donald Trump saying he likes someone other than himself. In other words, I have trouble getting real excited about having this conversation with you. I don't look at Indiana State basketball and think DUKE! I don't look at Greg Lansing and think Coach K! It takes perspective and if you are insinuating that a CrowdFund Jersey or a CrowdFund IPad fundraising effort on a fan forum is "$$$ into the wind" then I can't help you. Go find me another fan forum in the MVC, hell in the country that has attempted to turn its self into a fundraising arm of the Foundation to try and make a damn difference.

I will give you this - you do drive conversation forward on this forum and you do provide a platform to make a case and for that I say thank you.

What year did you graduate? And you think you have "perspective?" Have you ever LIVED outside of Terre Haute? On what basis do you form your "perspective?"

"Chronically complain about anything and everything?" It's known as "constructive criticism" in many circles of thought, and it's usually aligned with a NEED for improvement or efficiency of operation in areas of life. In the social sciences, it's called "critical thinking."

 

[4Q_iu]

Ford's teams have wildly underperformed based on expectations, which is only partially his fault since the expectations are outside of his control. He is a decent recruiter, but his teams never had any success. Watching the K-State/OSU game last night, it was also clear that his team had long given up on the season. They didn't care at all.

What might actually keep Ford around is that he's still in the early parts of a 10-year contract. Pickens, from what I've heard, actually doesn't care much about basketball and wants no part in Ford's buyout. Pickens is all about football.

Thanks --- recruiting half the battle right? plenty of good Head Coaches who can recruit, can't coach a lick BUT their staff CAN coach.

 

[Gotta Hav]

I will give you this - you do drive conversation forward on this forum and you do provide a platform to make a case and for that I say thank you.

I think someone should start a Poll to see who drives the conversation on SP the most. LOL!

You, Bank, 4q, JS, B20, Bluethunder, Backer, and many others do too....

And as a steady reader of SP, I appreciate everyone's body-of-work!!!!!!!

Keep up the great work guys! :thumbsup:

 

[4Q_iu]

LOL! Right.

So much of this going on this time of year with a lot of programs. Fans are passionate, but often times passion gets in the way. Was talking with a guy yesterday at work that adamantly wanted to fire Lansing, in fact he wanted to fire him so bad he wanted me to just say we should fire him - in fact, had I just agreed with him we could have ended a conversation that sounded much like an argument but I wasn't going to do that. If you are wondering if the guy was a season ticket holder or a big ISU donor - you already know the answer, of course not. People want Indiana State to be something it is not but they don't want to do anything to try and make it better - they assume bitching and complaing will make it better but in the end the same fundamental problems still exist! Without money and without resources you can't do anything - thus to have a conversation about ISU athletics and keeping or firing a coach you have to have some sort of perspective. If not, it aint even worth having a conversation about it.

I think I saw this on here some place before but a reminder never hurts. Lansing has been here what 6 years? In those 6 years the Sycamores have made the semifinals in the Mo Val Conference Tournament 4 times. Only two other teams in the Valley can say that and both are coached by the two best coaches IMO in the Valley, Wichita State and UNI. So either Greg Lansing is damn lucky and or he has continued to raise the bar - likely some of both. But before you go comparing him to X and saying he should be fired you ought to have a better case than, "well I just don't like him as a person".

Agree --- think Lansing has 3 trip to the Semi's --- weren't we the #8 seed in 2012?

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

What year did you graduate? And you think you have "perspective?" Have you ever LIVED outside of Terre Haute? On what basis do you form your "perspective?"

Does it matter when I graduated, where I have lived or where I got my perspective from? I had my undergrad, my MBA and 6 years of employment by my 26th birthday that's about as much qualifying information about myself as I'm going to need to provide at this point.

 

[BankShot]

Does it matter when I graduated, where I have lived or where I got my perspective from? I had my undergrad, my MBA and 6 years of employment by my 26th birthday that's about as much qualifying information about myself as I'm going to need to provide at this point.

You brought up the topic, and yes, "perspective" is usually nurtured thru diverse exposure and life experiences, and TRAVEL (living and working in diverse areas) helps facilitate it's growth.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Agree --- think Lansing has 3 trip to the Semi's --- weren't we the #8 seed in 2012?

Yes we were #8 in 2012, speaking of fact checking... LOL!

4 trips to Semi's though. 2015, 2014, 2013, 2011

 

[4Q_iu]

Yes we were #8 in 2012, speaking of fact checking... LOL!

4 trips to Semi's though. 2015, 2014, 2013, 2011

We've advanced every year but 2015... 5 of 6 seasons. I don't believe ANY of our MVC era coaches can claim that pct... well, Dillard BUT he only QUALIFIED in one season of three... so, he has a 100% advance rate but only WHEN he qualified for the tourney

Lansing also has the most MVC-T wins (8) as any of the MVC era coaches; he's tied Waltman this season...

 

[Jason Svoboda]

It's official... Saint Louis job is now open.

UTSA also fired Brooks Thompson.

 

[LoudNProud]

LOL! Right.

So much of this going on this time of year with a lot of programs. Fans are passionate, but often times passion gets in the way. Was talking with a guy yesterday at work that adamantly wanted to fire Lansing, in fact he wanted to fire him so bad he wanted me to just say we should fire him - in fact, had I just agreed with him we could have ended a conversation that sounded much like an argument but I wasn't going to do that. If you are wondering if the guy was a season ticket holder or a big ISU donor - you already know the answer, of course not. People want Indiana State to be something it is not but they don't want to do anything to try and make it better - they assume bitching and complaing will make it better but in the end the same fundamental problems still exist! Without money and without resources you can't do anything - thus to have a conversation about ISU athletics and keeping or firing a coach you have to have some sort of perspective. If not, it aint even worth having a conversation about it.

I think I saw this on here some place before but a reminder never hurts. Lansing has been here what 6 years? In those 6 years the Sycamores have made the semifinals in the Mo Val Conference Tournament 4 times. Only two other teams in the Valley can say that and both are coached by the two best coaches IMO in the Valley, Wichita State and UNI. So either Greg Lansing is damn lucky and or he has continued to raise the bar - likely some of both. But before you go comparing him to X and saying he should be fired you ought to have a better case than, "well I just don't like him as a person".

I think replacing him is worth exploring because of the consistent lack of success we have in the late conference season.

Every season under Lansing has gone like this:

Start off slow in non-con. Painfully poor play.
Sudden domination of a great team!
Somewhat slowed off play but win a few.
Conference starts and we defy expectations, winning more than people thought we would.
End of January marks our peak of quality.
February slump, glacial freeze happens and we lose alternating games or have a big losing streak.
Win 1 or 2 games going into the tournament.
Somehow make it to Semis or the Tourney Final.
Get into post season tournament, immediately get destroyed.

Lansing has issues getting a team to play a complete season. We know this. It is a significant problem that causes issues both on and off the court. I don't know who we could get, I'm not that versed in the coaches that are available, but I don't know of many programs that tank every single season during February. Maybe once, and then they figure it out and it doesn't happen again or it's not as bad.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

I think replacing him is worth exploring because of the consistent lack of success we have in the late conference season.

Every season under Lansing has gone like this:

Start off slow in non-con. Painfully poor play.
Sudden domination of a great team!
Somewhat slowed off play but win a few.
Conference starts and we defy expectations, winning more than people thought we would.
End of January marks our peak of quality.
February slump, glacial freeze happens and we lose alternating games or have a big losing streak.
Win 1 or 2 games going into the tournament.
Somehow make it to Semis or the Tourney Final.
Get into post season tournament, immediately get destroyed.

Lansing has issues getting a team to play a complete season. We know this. It is a significant problem that causes issues both on and off the court. I don't know who we could get, I'm not that versed in the coaches that are available, but I don't know of many programs that tank every single season during February. Maybe once, and then they figure it out and it doesn't happen again or it's not as bad.

This goes back to "was talking to a guy yesterday..." story in my post you quoted. We can't even get on the same level on this subject to have a reasonable conversation. So I'm moving on.