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Jason Svoboda said:
For example, you can pretty much guarantee that the Big Ten and ACC teams will all be locked inside the Top 60 on a yearly basis.
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I thought I should check the validity of your strong statement that ALL Big 10 and ACC Teams will always be locked inside the Top 60 in KenPom or whatever .

I found 16 of the 29 teams in the top 60. Far from "ALL".

4: Purdue
 

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DyedBlue said:
I thought I should check the validity of your strong statement that ALL Big 10 and ACC Teams will always be locked inside the Top 60 in KenPom or whatever .

I found 16 of the 29 teams in the top 60. Far from "ALL".

4: Purdue
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17 Actually but I got "time Limited' on the message while researching.

Purdue at 4; IU at 16; MD at 17; OSU at 20; Illinois at 21; Iowa at 25; Rutgers at 32; PSU at 33: Wisc at 34; Mich St at 39; Michigan at 44

Va at 9; Duke at 13; UNC at 24; Va Tech at 29; Miami, Fl at 43 and NCSU at 52
 
dino said:
All of that makes sense.

I guess I was thinking more how it’s used to change how people look at wins, in regards to where the game is played.
In reality, it’s always going to make power conference look better. But the real tool is that it gives you a scale on how good/bad certain wins or losses are.
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Yeah, it can look good at times and theoretically makes a ton of sense if they didn't do everything else to game it.

I like ITF's NCAA scheduling, but I'm not sure they can pull it off due to the sheer number of schools and what not so that is why I'm for coming up with a BCS-style algo that will hold P5s accountable. If that was done, it solves MM scheduling problems in one fell swoop. Then if they actually get the wins by competition, so be it.

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DyedBlue said:
17 Actually but I got "time Limited' on the message while researching.

Purdue at 4; IU at 16; MD at 17; OSU at 20; Illinois at 21; Iowa at 25; Rutgers at 32; PSU at 33: Wisc at 34; Mich St at 39; Michigan at 44

Va at 9; Duke at 13; UNC at 24; Va Tech at 29; Miami, Fl at 43 and NCSU at 52
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Now do this. Grab the NET ranking that the NCAA uses for the last 5 years. How many non P5 teams were in the Top 60 each year outside of Gonzaga who was let behind the velvet rope.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
Yeah, it can look good at times and theoretically makes a ton of sense if they didn't do everything else to game it.

I like ITF's NCAA scheduling, but I'm not sure they can pull it off due to the sheer number of schools and what not so that is why I'm for coming up with a BCS-style algo that will hold P5s accountable. If that was done, it solves MM scheduling problems in one fell swoop. Then if they actually get the wins by competition, so be it.

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Now do this. Grab the NET ranking that the NCAA uses for the last 5 years. How many non P5 teams were in the Top 60 each year outside of Gonzaga who was let behind the velvet rope.
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I was checking the facts of what you claimed that two specific conferences, the Big 10 and ACC had all of their teams locked into the top 60. You are now trying to change the basis of your argument. I am done with the shape shifting argument. Signing off.
 
DyedBlue said:
I was checking the facts of what you claimed that two specific conferences, the Big 10 and ACC had all of their teams locked into the top 60. You are now trying to change the basis of your argument. I am done with the shape shifting argument. Signing off.
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Not at all. You know saying ALL is tongue in cheek, right? My point from the beginning is the measure was designed for and has system issues based on the fact that P5 conferences essentially can boost their own NETs through conference play by giving each other Q1/Q2 games on the regular whereas mid-majors are, by and large, locked out of that once conference season starts. If that isn't what you understood me to say, there you go. I think you're overly focused on those two conferences when I was just using them for a frame of reference as they are considered the P5 elite.

NET is what is used by the NCAA and what the Quadrant system was developed for. Remember, they went away from RPI for this setup. Why when most schools outside of that are locked out of the opportunities? Further, you are looking at it before conference head to head has occurred, which is the secret sauce to the system.

So looking a previous years where teams finished would be the only data set to actually see it either working as I said or not. I honestly haven’t looked and I’m just going off recollection of watching March Madness Selection shows and listening to a ton of Bracketology stuff. I'd venture a guess that the Top 60 is a majority of the P5 schools with a sprinkling of non P5 conference champs.
 
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Thought experiment for anyone with time. Record the NET rankings this year before the P5 conference slates start and then see where they all end up.
 
Here is a resource that illustrates it a bit. Draw a line between the Q2_L and Q3_W and then calculate the numbers in two cols Q1/Q2 and Q3/Q4. You will see P5 conferences see 20-25 games in the left column whereas MVC teams (select it from the dropdown) saw about 9-12. Then drop to a LM conference like the SWAC and you'll see it is about 5 Q1/Q2 opportunities and 25 in the Q3/Q4 column.

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NCAA Quad Wins and Losses Tracker - BracketResearch.com

Track your college basketball team's Quad 1 wins and their record in the other three quads. An important piece of their tournament resume.
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Watching Western Ky at Louisville. Western has A 7’5” center who can run the floor but looks like he weighs about 150 lbs. They said he is the tallest player in NCAAMB. Surprising Louisville up by 11 at the half
 
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Strange night in college basketball. Louisville has scored 46 points......in the first half against WKU and Maryland trails UCLA by 29 points at halftime.....AT HOME!!!
 

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I actually think you have to be very intentional when you’re trying to build a program… I don’t know if they are getting this granular but they should be.

If you’re a first or second year HC with a bunch of D2 and portal guys you should play a schedule exactly like we have this year. Rack up as many wins as possible and make yourself relevant - which we’ve managed to do. It would not be as impressive if we were 6-5 or some shit with a win vs Iowa Stare or Maryland or some shit.

We have this conversation anytime we’re relevant… But in my opinion you should intentionally schedule straight shit until you develop some real creditable amongst recruits - these dudes are always winning. The recruits don’t care who you’re playing before they get here to get a respectable record - they only care about who’s on the schedule for exposure purposes once they get here. Only straight dogs care about playing a good schedule anyway.

I would schedule like this until you know you can go play in some big time non conference tournaments and actually feel like you’ve got a chance to win the entire thing. Until then / this was perfect IMO. Because you were always going to have to win in STL anyway… Been telling people on here for a long time now that this was the case and people wanted to argue with me. It doesn’t have anything to do with playing a good non conference. The system is rigged and the league as a whole sucks = 1 bid. The end. If every team in this league played 2 or 3 top 50 or top 100 programs every team in this league would have 2 or 3 losses. Simple as that.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
I actually think you have to be very intentional when you’re trying to build a program… I don’t know if they are getting this granular but they should be.

If you’re a first or second year HC with a bunch of D2 and portal guys you should play a schedule exactly like we have this year. Rack up as many wins as possible and make yourself relevant - which we’ve managed to do. It would not be as impressive if we were 6-5 or some shit with a win vs Iowa Stare or Maryland or some shit.

We have this conversation anytime we’re relevant… But in my opinion you should intentionally schedule straight shit until you develop some real creditable amongst recruits - these dudes are always winning. The recruits don’t care who you’re playing before they get here to get a respectable record - they only care about who’s on the schedule for exposure purposes once they get here. Only straight dogs care about playing a good schedule anyway.

I would schedule like this until you know you can go play in some big time non conference tournaments and actually feel like you’ve got a chance to win the entire thing. Until then / this was perfect IMO. Because you were always going to have to win in STL anyway… Been telling people on here for a long time now that this was the case and people wanted to argue with me. It doesn’t have anything to do with playing a good non conference. The system is rigged and the league as a whole sucks = 1 bid. The end. If every team in this league played 2 or 3 top 50 or top 100 programs every team in this league would have 2 or 3 losses. Simple as that.
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I've been saying this to friends all year...we were 9-20, let's play a shit schedule to boost appearances and build inside...we can tighten the schedule yearly by small increments until suddenly...boom.
Now JS doesn't make schedules, but he has the mind to be this intentional, just don't if he is.
 
Louisville upsets Western Kentucky for their first win of the season

There's a sentence you wouldn't expect to read lol
 
Dearon tucker starting for a 2-7 CSUN team that hasn’t beat a d1 team yet. On espn+ if you are really bored.
 
Okay I'm in total shock right now, but Eastern Illinois who was 1-9 against D1 opponents upsets an 8-3 Iowa team 92-83!!! It is EIU's first regular season win over a Big Ten team in 35 years.
 

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