With Gray returning, that leaves 10 roster spots.
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For having a team with 3 players, the silence is deafening.
What do you want to do differently? Everyone wondered why the P5's decided to opt out of the NIT...
Every mid major coach in the country should react accordingly next post-season. Play in the NIT to further expose the value of your assets/investments your players. Why?! Take away the scenario where a coach is leaving as that's not going to happen to our program every year - why would a coach put his roster in a situation where everyone in the country can watch/scout your best players?!
Opt out of the NIT, limit the exposure on your players and get a jump start on the portal.
sycamore tuff
The Renn Level
I would like to hear news of players being signed also. However, I hope they are working on getting the best they can get. They can always fill a roster with lesser players. No need to sign them right now.
I took this to mean we haven’t made progress in filling our openings……..
Is that a rhetorical question or what?
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Honestly... If you guys just thought this process would go really quickly and a bunch of guys would start signing with Indiana State I can't help ya. It was always going to take some time - you gotta be patient. I'm sure Graves and staff have been working the phones and traveling to meet with players. They will start getting some commitments this week I would imagine .
Visits are occurring with more scheduled for this week.
It isn't like we're going to for tomato cans with no other options. I think it is likely we have get a kid or two this week.
For context, Arkansas currently has one player on its roster…a walk-on. And they have Calipari and a war chest of NIL dollars.
This just takes some time.
This just takes some time.
People are still joining portal. We will be just fine. I expect the momentum to continue from the last couple years
CardLake49
The Captain Level
I get the fact that the NIT provides more exposure given the limited number of teams playing at that time and the number of eyes watching, but do you think playing in the NIT puts THAT MUCH of a spot light on a team? Is that due to seeing players play against fairly high profile teams? In your opinion.....if exposure to a teams best players during the regular season + conf tourney = X, then exposure to a teams best players during the regular season + conf tourney + NIT = what?
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A young bull and an old bull are standing on a hill...
I’m using this post season run and what it did for these players as a measuring stick… And I’m not doing that again if I’m the HC.
Do I think Larry or Kent end up at Texas? Absolutely not. They both were terrific for the better part of that NIT run. I think both had value before the NIT run without a doubt - but the level and the $$ both went up in those 5 games.
Conwell was always going to be hard for us to keep - but the NIT run made it impossible. Regardless of what the coach did - I think he would have had to test the waters to see what sort of an offer he could get.
To answer your question when we have limited P5 opportunities all of which take place in the nonconference if they happen at all… then I think it’s definitely important to a players value to play in postseason high leverage games against P5 schools. I think those coaches and scouts get a better gauge on those NIT games than they do MVC regular season games.
Of course I’m looking at this from the coaches and program aspect - if I’m a mid major player and my coach is taking opportunities away from me to increase my value I might not look to come here in the first place. You might only be able to get away with that under very specific circumstances… if you had the season like we had and we’re going to be a number one seed in the NIT then you almost always have to take it. The circumstances will not always be that either…
I think if you spin it as the goal is to make the NCAA tournament and we’re going to get started on that in the portal as soon as possible and go back to work - then you can convince a good group of guys to run it back. That has to be the goal when you’ve got a good core - keep as much of the roster in tact as possible and let’s make a run at the NCAA Tournament next year.
* In saying this, I’m fairly certain NIL Earnings > NCAA Tournament Appearance / Team Accomplishments. As these players are weighing returning vs entering the portal. So it likely will not matter if a coach enters into the NIT or not. If those players are going to test the market nothing you can do to stop them.
But like this year - they might go from “maybe” we can offer them enough to stay. To “absolutely can’t” offer them enough to stay. That’s the point I’m trying to make.
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CardLake49
The Captain Level
I get what you're saying, makes sense. I would add to that the exposure on the program as well. The same time guys playing in the NIT are getting seen/scouted by other teams with deep(er) pockets, programs playing in the NIT are getting seen/scouted by players entering the portal looking for an opportunity. I'm not saying the effect is equal, but i'd think the effect could be significant enough to play in the NIT anyway.
Yes - this makes sense. Maybe the most sense.
If this season proved anything it’s that playing in the NCAA Tournament as an MVC team is an unrealistic goal. So until thing change - perhaps my view is the total wrong way to be looking at it. Maybe the goal is just to put yourself in a position to make the NCAA tournament by being a higher seed in the conference tournament and if you don’t make it and get an opportunity to play in the post season you take it - because a good season can’t be defined by something that has become outlandishly unrealistic.
I can see both sides of this - just a lot of things to consider I guess and each season will have different pro’s and con’s. And I’m sure many will say but the experience this year with the home games and fan support made to worth it right? Absolutely - wouldn’t trade that in. Playing was the right thing to do because of all the other things that came with it. Much of that was unexpected. I don’t think anybody imagine we would receive that level of community fan support.
EvilleSycamore
The All-MVC Level
Anyone seen or heard anymore on Shetlar? I am assuming he is gone?
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Still in portal waiting for a home. He would be much better suited to stay here, and if he puts up good numbers then move up.
Based on the sheer number of players in the portal, until the rules change, pretty much any player with a pulse is going into the portal to see what their market value is. Just pulled the portal data into a spreadsheet. Here is what I found:
Average - 5 per team
No Coaching Change - 4.5 per team
Coaching Change - 7.3 per team
NIT Average - 5.1 per team
NIT No Coaching Change - 4.7 per team
NIT Coaching Change - 6.5 per team
Marginal difference and essentially this tells me that your starting 5 end up in the portal on average. I think you can also conclude that our deep run in the NIT didn't change the fact they were going into the portal but rather that they just got paid more. Moreover, because they raised their value, it just meant they didn't go to Saint Louis.
The argument to be had here, if anything, is knowing your starters are likely jumping into the portal, do you want the extra time to recruit? That said, with the sheer number of coaches arguing that the portal needs pushed back, I think that will end up being changed in the near futures so it doesn't open until at least the tournament is halfway over if not until it has concluded. This is also why multi-year NIL deals will be key to slowing this madness down.
Average - 5 per team
No Coaching Change - 4.5 per team
Coaching Change - 7.3 per team
NIT Average - 5.1 per team
NIT No Coaching Change - 4.7 per team
NIT Coaching Change - 6.5 per team
Marginal difference and essentially this tells me that your starting 5 end up in the portal on average. I think you can also conclude that our deep run in the NIT didn't change the fact they were going into the portal but rather that they just got paid more. Moreover, because they raised their value, it just meant they didn't go to Saint Louis.
The argument to be had here, if anything, is knowing your starters are likely jumping into the portal, do you want the extra time to recruit? That said, with the sheer number of coaches arguing that the portal needs pushed back, I think that will end up being changed in the near futures so it doesn't open until at least the tournament is halfway over if not until it has concluded. This is also why multi-year NIL deals will be key to slowing this madness down.
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He’s going to need to have a big off-season as far as development goes if he’s going to “put up good numbers” here… Even though we turn over nearly our entire roster Graves is out looking for experience (juniors and seniors) - Shetler is going to have to out play them for minutes. Not to say he can’t - but I don’t think anything is guaranteed for him. He’s in a really difficult spot IMO. He just needs to work on his body and his game this off-season if he wants to “put up numbers” at this level.
Selfishly, I want him to come back and compete for those minutes because kid can shoot it. If he can figure out the rest he could pop - no doubt. But it isn’t going to be easy for him if we’re being honest.
Additionally, kids giving up their spot without having a new landing spot already set in stone is just not smart.
The opportunities are the finite resource here and someone would kill to have yours.