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[December 7, 2016] Indiana State (4-4) vs #16 Butler (8-0)
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BankShot
The Kleuh Level
Ya, over @ Dunkin Donuts @ 41 & Hulman!:lol:
Agreed - if you follow any of Sycamore Basketball, Sycamore Athletics, any of the administration, coaches, etc....you'll know plenty about this game. I don't know how they are promoting it locally and on-campus, but on Twitter and other social media outlets they've been pretty active.
BankShot
The Kleuh Level
Where's Butler...Indy? How much coverage?
We see this as a long-time rival, do they? In other words, is the hype equal on both ends, or is ISU now Butler's non-conf "Oakland City?"
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I'm sure it's becoming much less of the long-time rival view, and more of a non-con yawn game, but...
I also bet that Butler has a good sized contingency at the game, mainly due to the proximity to Indy and the fact that they're undefeated, 16th ranked.
Hahaha you're so stupid. Lmao
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I feel pretty confident in saying that Butler (fans, teams or otherwise) care nothing about ISU. They do not look at us as anything other than a short road trip for a decentish non-con game.
I'm also not sure I personally consider Butler to be any sort of rival. A rivalry requires a certain frequency of games and competitiveness on both ends. We don't play them regularly enough nor are we competitive with them enough for me to consider this a rivalry game.
This on all fronts. They care about as much about us as I care about them. Quite frankly as far as I'm concerned they consider us just another in-state school like I do them and it's always a little bit sweeter when you beat schools in the state of Indiana.
Bulldawgfan
The Recruit Level
Butler Fan here! couple of things to catch you guys up on....
1. Butler Fans are worried about this game! Some are considering this a "trap" game. It hasn't been too long from our west trip so Butler might still be fatigue. Other fans worry about the team overseeing ISU and focusing on Cincy, & IU, and others are just worried that ISU is a good team in general that has the talent to beat Butler.
2. Wideman and Chrabascz can get a little physical. Wideman will be physical on the boards and Chrabascz has some quality post moves. Brunk won't play much but Nate Fowler (So.) will play and could see a decent amount of offensive rebounds.
3. Lewis, our once all-american point guard can pass and give people open shots. He is not a shoot first kinda guy. I do not know anything about your guards but if they are semi physical then 5'10 (if that) Lewis wont be a factor. Lewis' game fades going into Big East Play because of the physical play imo.
4. Avery Woodson (aka Kellen Dunham 2.0) This guy has been shooting lights out and what has help Butler win a couple of games. Grad transfer from Memphis. Hope he is still hot.
5. Kamar Baldwin (Fr) Point guard can play spot on defense and drive to the basket. Should come off the bench and be a huge factor.
6. Kethan Savage. Another transfer senior that has been injured/illness and is slowly coming back. Had a good game last time on the court but still is a work in process.
7. Kelan Martin is our top scoring and is very talented. Possibly NBA talent but he gets careless at times and if you frustrate him he could disappear.
8. Sean Mcdermott is a lengthy skinny hustle guy that can shoot the 3 and grab some boards.
9. Butlers Bench is pretty good. I don't not know who mentioned a weak bench but Savage, Baldwin, Sean Mcdermott, and Nate Folwer can all play a lot of minutes and contribute.
10. I am excited for this game and wanted to tell you a little bit about Butlers team this year because of all the new faces they have. This is a different Butler team than in the past. Guards that can drive to the basket and have quick speed often beat us. So I hope ISU doesn't have one of those!
Great board! Not many teams have a good quality board like this one.
Also ESPN3? We should be on a real network. Should be a good game.
1. Butler Fans are worried about this game! Some are considering this a "trap" game. It hasn't been too long from our west trip so Butler might still be fatigue. Other fans worry about the team overseeing ISU and focusing on Cincy, & IU, and others are just worried that ISU is a good team in general that has the talent to beat Butler.
2. Wideman and Chrabascz can get a little physical. Wideman will be physical on the boards and Chrabascz has some quality post moves. Brunk won't play much but Nate Fowler (So.) will play and could see a decent amount of offensive rebounds.
3. Lewis, our once all-american point guard can pass and give people open shots. He is not a shoot first kinda guy. I do not know anything about your guards but if they are semi physical then 5'10 (if that) Lewis wont be a factor. Lewis' game fades going into Big East Play because of the physical play imo.
4. Avery Woodson (aka Kellen Dunham 2.0) This guy has been shooting lights out and what has help Butler win a couple of games. Grad transfer from Memphis. Hope he is still hot.
5. Kamar Baldwin (Fr) Point guard can play spot on defense and drive to the basket. Should come off the bench and be a huge factor.
6. Kethan Savage. Another transfer senior that has been injured/illness and is slowly coming back. Had a good game last time on the court but still is a work in process.
7. Kelan Martin is our top scoring and is very talented. Possibly NBA talent but he gets careless at times and if you frustrate him he could disappear.
8. Sean Mcdermott is a lengthy skinny hustle guy that can shoot the 3 and grab some boards.
9. Butlers Bench is pretty good. I don't not know who mentioned a weak bench but Savage, Baldwin, Sean Mcdermott, and Nate Folwer can all play a lot of minutes and contribute.
10. I am excited for this game and wanted to tell you a little bit about Butlers team this year because of all the new faces they have. This is a different Butler team than in the past. Guards that can drive to the basket and have quick speed often beat us. So I hope ISU doesn't have one of those!
Great board! Not many teams have a good quality board like this one.
Also ESPN3? We should be on a real network. Should be a good game.
Thanks for the heads up on the other guys. Our team is very Jeckyl and Hyde with how they play so it really depends on which team rolls out Wednesday night if we keep it competitive or not.
We were the first or among the first scholarship offers for Wideman, Martin and McDermott. McDermott's mom is an ISU alum.
A fair assessment -- I believe collier pushed to end the annual home/home series (played ~1951-1990 seasons...)
a damn shame as it was a great series for both programs
hoping we run em off the boards tonight -- a pleasant surprise if we do
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I think most can sense this the last time we play Butler in a while (I sure hope not though), the least we can do is beat them to give them a REASON for not playing us.
There ISN'T a reason to NOT play us.
Clink needs to lock isu-m, buttler and (possibly valpo) into long-term annual contracts.
And put em on SATURDAYs if you want legit attendance.
BankShot
The Kleuh Level
Hey...respect your ELDERS, or I'll order a lightning bolt with destination to St. Patrick's. Damn young pups of this world...
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BankShot
The Kleuh Level
After McDermott (#7), the #'s from your subs drop off considerably...
http://butlersports.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&
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Bulldawgfan
The Recruit Level
Although in tight games, I would agree that Coach Holtman only likes to play about 8-9. But I would say our depth is pretty talented.
Baldwin and McDermott are 6 & 7
Kethan Savage is the our 8th who should be our 6th man. He is just getting the minutes as of last game due to a sickness.
Nate Fowler (#9) would be our big man back up for the 4 & 5.
So I would say After Savage (#8), the #'s from our subs drop off considerably.
If you only look at stats, Savage, has played only 4 games which is why his stats are skewed but he will contribute. Butler has great depth in the backcourt but I can agree that our front court is week with our young and raw talent (Fowler & Brunk). You will see Martin and McDermott play a stretch 4 at times.
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Got to agree with SSOM on this one, I don't really care one bit about this game. It is just another game to me, and considering that we aren't going to be anywhere close to an at large bid, the whole rest of the non-conference slate doesn't interest me.
All I care about right now is figuring out our rotations and getting ready for the Valley. If we win this game, I will enjoy it as much as I enjoy any win we have. If we lose, oh well. All I hope for is that we continue to improve, the staff figures out who should be starting and who should be playing and we get ready for the conference season.
I don't consider us rivals to Butler, I don't know any players on their team other than Martin, I don't know who they have played or will play this season and I don't care. I am at a work event this evening and won't be watching or listening. I will probably jump on SP when I get home to see if we won or lost and then read up on the details tomorrow.
All I care about right now is figuring out our rotations and getting ready for the Valley. If we win this game, I will enjoy it as much as I enjoy any win we have. If we lose, oh well. All I hope for is that we continue to improve, the staff figures out who should be starting and who should be playing and we get ready for the conference season.
I don't consider us rivals to Butler, I don't know any players on their team other than Martin, I don't know who they have played or will play this season and I don't care. I am at a work event this evening and won't be watching or listening. I will probably jump on SP when I get home to see if we won or lost and then read up on the details tomorrow.
The game is tomorrow. You may know that and just misspoke, or I just made your day now that you realize you'll get to watch the game after all. Either way...it's a Wednesday night tip.
Southgrad07
The Renn Level
I agree and disagree. Seeing as we don't have a shot at an at large I agree that this game is not as important as a conference game. If the game doesn't help us win the conference tourney, secure an at large bid, or win the conference championship then it is downgraded in importance. However, this game is more important than the other non conference games remaining IMO.
Rarely do we get a top 10-15 team on our home floor and a shot to give the season a shot in the arm emotionally. A win here would most certainly help attendance some and give our guys some needed confidence going forward. Also while BU is not a main rival anymore, it is always a major plus to beat one of the power conference in state schools that turn their noses up at us. Some always complain about the home schedule and its lack of big time teams...Well here one is, so the least we can do is enjoy it.
Yup, realize that after I posted, but have a commitment that night too, along with the day after. Probably part of why I haven't been too concerned about this game. Between work commitments, Holiday events and kid events, I rarely know whether I am coming or going in December.
Play hard, play well, if we win, great! If we lose, no shame. Get better and get ready for the Valley.