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Southgrad07 said:
If his jumper progresses he is probably the best man for the job. If not he might be too much of a liability when it comes to spreading out the defense to start...If they feel confident enough to eventually start him you could even see Miller/Howard and Key out there with him. There is no guarantee that Neese is a starter this year.
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Agreed. I think we have enough scoring throughout the roster that we can live with him being a pass-first PG, but he still has to have enough confidence and ability to hit an open shot when it's given.

I worry most about turnovers and defense with young PG's. If he can take care of the basketball and defend well, he'll get plenty of playing time. I worry a bit about turnovers with this roster (Bacote, for example, doesn't have the best track record for controlling the basketball), so if Larry can be an asset in that department that would be a huge plus.

I really liked the part about the coaching staff mentioning he picks up on defense full court. Also, Larry said he likes to play fast and our offense wants to play fast. We have the horses and depth this year to do so.
 

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I think Larry might be a great passer, but D1 is not like HS. The thing is, he LIKES to get the assist. Many players miss assist "opportunities" and he will get more of them. As mentioned, TO's and D are always "accepted" from FR. I think Scott and Odum were both good enough to play for us as FR; and I think Larry is in that class.
 
BrokerZ said:
Agreed. I think we have enough scoring throughout the roster that we can live with him being a pass-first PG, but he still has to have enough confidence and ability to hit an open shot when it's given.

I worry most about turnovers and defense with young PG's. If he can take care of the basketball and defend well, he'll get plenty of playing time. I worry a bit about turnovers with this roster (Bacote, for example, doesn't have the best track record for controlling the basketball), so if Larry can be an asset in that department that would be a huge plus.

I really liked the part about the coaching staff mentioning he picks up on defense full court. Also, Larry said he likes to play fast and our offense wants to play fast. We have the horses and depth this year to do so.
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Or he could be the next iteration of Devonte Brown which wouldn't be a bad thing, either.

Last time I checked, he was still playing ball overseas professionally. Kosovo I think.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
Or he could be the next iteration of Devonte Brown which wouldn't be a bad thing, either.

Last time I checked, he was still playing ball overseas professionally. Kosovo I think.
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He way better than Brown as a FR. In handling, passing and shooting. Of course, Brown improved a lot and it we don't know what Larry will look like 3 years from now.
Brown showed some real body control and athletic ability sometimes; and I always considered him as a strong player.
 
sycamorebacker said:
He way better than Brown as a FR. In handling, passing and shooting. Of course, Brown improved a lot and it we don't know what Larry will look like 3 years from now.
Brown showed some real body control and athletic ability sometimes; and I always considered him as a strong player.
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He's better than Brown already and he's not played a single minute. Impressive.
 

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sycamorebacker said:
If you're trying to be sarcastic, it isn't working. Yes, he is a lot better than Brown. If you don't know anything about it, you shouldn't say anything.
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Every year we bring in new recruits and they get hyped in the preseason puff pieces. Could Larry be better than Devonte? Sure. But there is no factual way you can say it with the kid have never played a single minute. There was also a lot of talk about how Rhett Smith was going to be a big player for us. It's simply speculation.

Now I'll say I hope he is better than Devonte since Brown ended up being one of the better point/combo guards we've had in recent years and to eclipse his four year production would likely mean the program is doing well.
 
Jason, I know you can judge talent, so I don't understand your comparison. When Brown was a freshmen, he was not very good. By his SR year (5 yrs) he was a solid player but he played PG by default. Larry is a pure PG that has all the PG skills.
I'm sure both of us hope Larry will be a good player for us.
 
I want to see the new players. If they had an open scrimmage, I would be the first one there. I guess, with the virus, there is no hope of that.

I guess nobody here knows how Howard and Miller and Hankins stack up against Neese and Barnes, for example. The unknown is killing me.
 
Is anyone else having a hard time getting excited for this upcoming season? Maybe it's the unknowns, but I just feel like this season will be very forgettable and I actually feel bad for our seniors that will be playing in front of practically no fans every single game. Just think you could have two MVC schools sitting at 7-0 in conference and there wouldn't be 1000 fans to watch them in a battle for first place. I'm just afraid the season is going to feel very exhibition like.
 
Sycamorefan96 said:
Is anyone else having a hard time getting excited for this upcoming season? Maybe it's the unknowns, but I just feel like this season will be very forgettable and I actually feel bad for our seniors that will be playing in front of practically no fans every single game. Just think you could have two MVC schools sitting at 7-0 in conference and there wouldn't be 1000 fans to watch them in a battle for first place. I'm just afraid the season is going to feel very exhibition like.
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Don’t this year’s seniors get another year?

 

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BrokerZ said:
Agreed. I think we have enough scoring throughout the roster that we can live with him being a pass-first PG, but he still has to have enough confidence and ability to hit an open shot when it's given.

I worry most about turnovers and defense with young PG's. If he can take care of the basketball and defend well, he'll get plenty of playing time. I worry a bit about turnovers with this roster (Bacote, for example, doesn't have the best track record for controlling the basketball), so if Larry can be an asset in that department that would be a huge plus.

I really liked the part about the coaching staff mentioning he picks up on defense full court. Also, Larry said he likes to play fast and our offense wants to play fast. We have the horses and depth this year to do so.
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I worry less about his TO and more about him being a threat to score... We don't need him to score. But if he doesn't keep the D honest we've seen what that can do to half court O. I suppose if you're playing up-tempo style with him on the floor you can certainly get away with it and it would seem we've got the pieces to do that. But you have to be able to score to keep the Def honest at this level - it's really as simple as that.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
Every year we bring in new recruits and they get hyped in the preseason puff pieces. Could Larry be better than Devonte? Sure. But there is no factual way you can say it with the kid have never played a single minute. There was also a lot of talk about how Rhett Smith was going to be a big player for us. It's simply speculation.

Now I'll say I hope he is better than Devonte since Brown ended up being one of the better point/combo guards we've had in recent years and to eclipse his four year production would likely mean the program is doing well.
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Two different players... You both are missing the point.

Brown for the better part of 3 years turned the ball over at an historic rate... He has a good Senior year and put the team on his back and improved each year - really all you can ask of a kid.

Larry by all reviews is a pretty solid ball handler and really probably needs to round out his game.

Hard to compare Larry to Brown OVERALL since Larry hasn't played a game. But saying Larry is "better than Brown as a FR" I assume he means better than the FR version of Brown. If that is the case - I don't need to see Larry to agree with that. Better than the SR version of Brown... Not a chance in hell - I'll have some of that to drink though.
 
Sycamorefan96 said:
Is anyone else having a hard time getting excited for this upcoming season? Maybe it's the unknowns, but I just feel like this season will be very forgettable and I actually feel bad for our seniors that will be playing in front of practically no fans every single game. Just think you could have two MVC schools sitting at 7-0 in conference and there wouldn't be 1000 fans to watch them in a battle for first place. I'm just afraid the season is going to feel very exhibition like.
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I'm very excited. I think we should really compete for the top of the league.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
Two different players... You both are missing the point.





Hard to compare Larry to Brown OVERALL since Larry hasn't played a game. But saying Larry is "better than Brown as a FR" I assume he means better than the FR version of Brown. If that is the case - I don't need to see Larry to agree with that.
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I don't know what point I'm missing, but Larry was the starting point on a national prep team last year. He was an outstanding passer and ball handler. I remember seeing Brown in practice his FR year. At the time, I thought he could not shoot, handle or pass. If we are comparing PG's, there is not anything to compare. I felt like that was a horrible comparison; and that was my point.
 
I also want to apologize if I mis-read the original statement. This has really become too big of a deal, thanks to me.

For the record, I watched Larry play this past season online a little and I have always expected big things from him. I feel like, with Larry and LaRavia playing together, it's a combination that we haven't had since Bird and anybody. I admit there is some speculation and prediction, but those two with some surrounding talent gets me pretty excited.
 

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I'm like this about every year, but I can hardly contain my excitement.
I remember teams we have had with no PG's, PG's that couldn't shoot, forwards that couldn't dribble, centers that couldn't jump, catch or shoot layups.
I feel like our SO class is one of our best ever, and add Key, with some other talent we have; and I feel like we have about everything we need.
My main concern, only to remain cautious, is the addition of some older players, and how that affects our team chemistry.
 
sycamorebacker said:
I don't know what point I'm missing, but Larry was the starting point on a national prep team last year. He was an outstanding passer and ball handler. I remember seeing Brown in practice his FR year. At the time, I thought he could not shoot, handle or pass. If we are comparing PG's, there is not anything to compare. I felt like that was a horrible comparison; and that was my point.
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I'll be honest - the article, Lansing and anyone else comparing Larry to Brown doesn't make any sense to me... Brown was a terrible passer and terrible ball handler for the better part of his career. He was an artist around the rim and drawing fouls. They're not at all the same player and it shouldn't even be discussed.

That's the point you're missing or seemed to be missing when I first got caught up on this thread - no need to be anything about it other than that. Just say - good point and move on.
 
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I think Jason's point was Devonte couldn't shoot either, but was still effective. If Larry can get to the paint and draw fouls and hit the mid-range and runners, we can live with his lack of outside shot.
 
Hooper said:
Don’t this year’s seniors get another year?

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I thought it was just for football, but I guess I was wrong. I'm a little mixed on whether or not they should not lose eligibility in basketball if they are playing a full season. There's already a pretty limited amount of roster spots. At that not losing eligibility just makes it feel even more like a fake season.
 
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