Indiana State Announces Josh Schertz as Next Men's Basketball Coach

[sycamorebacker]

He was absolutely improving at the 3-point line, there's no spin to it.

He started the season 0-9 from three point range....and most of those shots were absolutely and utterly atrocious, like, screaming at television not to shoot it, atrocious.

After that 0-9 start, he finished the season 10-28 (35.7%).

Actually, .357 was his conference 3FG% and that was exactly the team average. I would say that was fine for a FR, or anybody, hitch or no hitch.

That's a little better than Henry or Bledson shot in their conference.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

What we need more of is someone to penetrate and kick it out, finish at the rim or finish from 10 ft.; and to make the right decision. I see too many players not shooting when they are open in the lane.

And to that point, do they practice 12 ft jump shots?

No, like it or not, analytics has rendered the mid-range game obsolete. Many actually consider them bad shots as there is the opportunity cost of the lost 3PA as well as the higher FG% for finishing at the rim.

 

[Coach '72]

I think arguing his stats isn't good use of time with regards to Larry. The issue with him is his form. It is very difficult to change your form. It can be done, but even pros find it very difficult to change shooting form that has become engrained behavior. Ask Shaq with free throws.

The hitch in his shot and the fact it almost starts at his chest make it very difficult to be effective unless he is wide open to get in rhythm, balanced looks. If he cannot reform this, it is critical he develops an attack the basket/drive and kick mentality. Just my opinion.

 

[sycamorebacker]

No, like it or not, analytics has rendered the mid-range game obsolete. Many actually consider them bad shots as there is the opportunity cost of the lost 3PA as well as the higher FG% for finishing at the rim.

Yes, I know. Sometimes, modern basketball looks more like a game of horse from the 3-line.
If they practiced the mid-range jumper and got it over 50%, and followed their shot so that it gives your team an extra rebounder; it might not be a bad option.

 

[4Q_iu]

No, like it or not, analytics has rendered the mid-range game obsolete. Many actually consider them bad shots as there is the opportunity cost of the lost 3PA as well as the higher FG% for finishing at the rim.

Therein in lies a LARGE part of the problem; far, FAR too many kids chuck it up from 3-pt land and don't follow their shot, their teammates shot

True, plenty of kids "finish at the rim" but there are also a fair amount of uncontested def rebounds, simply b/c the "offense" hasn't followed the shot

Add in the lack of "sexiness" factor of the 10-15 foot jumper and of the FT and you have today's college and nba game

 

[4Q_iu]

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[Southgrad07]

What we need more of is someone to penetrate and kick it out, finish at the rim or finish from 10 ft.; and to make the right decision. I see too many players not shooting when they are open in the lane.

And to that point, do they practice 12 ft jump shots?

If JS is as into analytics as they say then you won't be seeing those shots often.

 

[Southgrad07]

Therein in lies a LARGE part of the problem; far, FAR too many kids chuck it up from 3-pt land and don't follow their shot, their teammates shot

True, plenty of kids "finish at the rim" but there are also a fair amount of uncontested def rebounds, simply b/c the "offense" hasn't followed the shot

Add in the lack of "sexiness" factor of the 10-15 foot jumper and of the FT and you have today's college and nba game

You do know that by the time you get to even high level middle school ball the whole "always follow your shot" thing isn't a thing.. You have to have a defensive transition strategy and 90% of them involve guards at the 3pt line getting back to stop leak outs.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Therein in lies a LARGE part of the problem; far, FAR too many kids chuck it up from 3-pt land and don't follow their shot, their teammates shot

True, plenty of kids "finish at the rim" but there are also a fair amount of uncontested def rebounds, simply b/c the "offense" hasn't followed the shot

Add in the lack of "sexiness" factor of the 10-15 foot jumper and of the FT and you have today's college and nba game

The lack of following the shot is a separate philosophy actually based on old school mentality that I don't like. If people went after analytics, they'd know that the teams with the highest ORB% often dominate. For example, Wichita State under Marshall required 3-4 to attack the glass. We didn't under Lansing.

 

[sycamorebacker]

You do know that by the time you get to even high level middle school ball the whole "always follow your shot" thing isn't a thing.. You have to have a defensive transition strategy and 90% of them involve guards at the 3pt line getting back to stop leak outs.

If the guard drives, don't the defensive assignments rotate? I doubt someone shooting from 10 ft is responsible for transition D, right?

 

[Southgrad07]

If the guard drives, don't the defensive assignments rotate? I doubt someone shooting from 10 ft is responsible for transition D, right?

I am referring to the comment of "kids chucking 3s and then not following their shot"..You don't want someone 25ft away crashing the glass.

I agree with what Jason said above that we didn't emphasize off. reb. enough under GL..But that doesn't mean I want 3pt shooters following their shot all the time.

 

[4Q_iu]

You do know that by the time you get to even high level middle school ball the whole "always follow your shot" thing isn't a thing.. You have to have a defensive transition strategy and 90% of them involve guards at the 3pt line getting back to stop leak outs.

What the hell is "high level middle school?" A LARGE part of this discussion is on how the game is taught, the fundamentals.

as most coaches DON"T teach proper fundamentals,

ala how to dribble, NOT this is how to carry the ball like the pros... this is how to run to the basketball w/out dribbling...

this is how to chuck up a 30 footer and don't even THINK about following this poorly executed, low percentage shot... just chuck it and start running to "defend" the other goal

just another reason I watch less and less college basketball and no nba; the product today isn't what Naismith invented, it's not what the legit great coaches taught

 

[4Q_iu]

I am referring to the comment of "kids chucking 3s and then not following their shot"..You don't want someone 25ft away crashing the glass.

I agree with what Jason said above that we didn't emphasize off. reb. enough under GL..But that doesn't mean I want 3pt shooters following their shot all the time.

I'm not talking about someone 25-ft away crashing glass... that's a near impossible feat.

i'm talking about a kid who launches a 25-footer and doesn't even think of following their shot; long missed shots are often long rebounds.

Too many kids think they're larry bird and this is the 1986 NBA 3-pt shooting contest. Here's a bit of clue for them;

They Ain't Him
and
This Game Ain't That Contest

I get just as irritated at the big men who refuse to run the floor and prefer to "cherry pick";

 

[4Q_iu]

The lack of following the shot is a separate philosophy actually based on old school mentality that I don't like. If people went after analytics, they'd know that the teams with the highest ORB% often dominate. For example, Wichita State under Marshall required 3-4 to attack the glass. We didn't under Lansing.

don't disagree with differing philosophies; it's like the different styles in baseball; the long-ball vs. small ball

I don't have a problem w/ a kid taking a three... i have a problem with a kid passing up a legit 2-pt shot to attempt a 3 and THEN not follow up a potential RB

 

[Southgrad07]

What the hell is "high level middle school?" A LARGE part of this discussion is on how the game is taught, the fundamentals.

as most coaches DON"T teach proper fundamentals,

ala how to dribble, NOT this is how to carry the ball like the pros... this is how to run to the basketball w/out dribbling...

this is how to chuck up a 30 footer and don't even THINK about following this poorly executed, low percentage shot... just chuck it and start running to "defend" the other goal

just another reason I watch less and less college basketball and no nba; the product today isn't what Naismith invented, it's not what the legit great coaches taught

Yeah, these guys had it all figured out...

 

[4Q_iu]

Yeah, these guys had it all figured out...

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they more than likely did have it figured out

there's a heckuva difference between playing w/ peach baskets, chicken wire and the "center jump"

just because teams theoretically score today, doesn't make it better

 

[HOOPSFAN]

What the hell is "high level middle school?" A LARGE part of this discussion is on how the game is taught, the fundamentals.

as most coaches DON"T teach proper fundamentals,

ala how to dribble, NOT this is how to carry the ball like the pros... this is how to run to the basketball w/out dribbling...

this is how to chuck up a 30 footer and don't even THINK about following this poorly executed, low percentage shot... just chuck it and start running to "defend" the other goal

just another reason I watch less and less college basketball and no nba; the product today isn't what Naismith invented, it's not what the legit great coaches taught

You havin' a bad day Dude? Why not go away and spew your venom where somebody cares? Its not on this forum.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

This crap on here is a trip. You guys are entertaining at least.

 

[SycamoreRedbird]

I can't wait to see what the schedule looks like for next season. I would love if JS and SC can schedule c come out to the PNW for a couple games against UO and OSU (Get paid and take their money and my money). Mckenna owes ISU at least one trip.

 

[4Q_iu]

You havin' a bad day Dude? Why not go away and spew your venom where somebody cares? Its not on this forum.

you proclaim to be such an expert... maybe YOU can tell what what "high level middle school" is... 9th grade? 8th grade? 7th grade??