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EvilleSycamore said:
The problem isn't a "lot of D1 Talent out there" as you say. The Real problem is D1 WITH talent that would even consider ISU given the place we are in with everything being in flux. Putting aside our love for ISU, Ask yourself if you were a solid D1 talent and ISU called would you consider coming here with the Chaos we are in now or would you consider another program in a mid major that is producing. Take for example Murray State or ISU who would you think was a better place to land? ISU vs Dayton, Bellmont, now St. Peters, or a whole list. I just dont think we are at a place to land Upper talent that we are desperately needing to rebuild. I wish i knew the way the teams i named or a host of other can land a D1 difference maker. I really hope Schertz proves me wrong.
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There is some truth there, however if that were always the case, why would you ever change coaches? Some coaches can identify talent and sell their program. Some coaches can’t sell their program. Some can’t identify talent.

We made the change because it was felt that HCJS can identify talent AND sell his program. Vision and culture are very important, and you have to hit a home run every once in a while, too. If you’re not an upper level program (yet), you gotta have something to sell - vision and culture. If you don’t have either of those, you’ll probably stay stuck.

It will be interesting to watch how this unfolds over the next couple of years. I have my own opinion, but either way, it should be exciting. The transfer portal ensures that.
 

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sycamorebacker said:
Winners get good players. Losers get what's left over. I think the 4 HS players Coach has signed have been fine. But, with our record and standing in the conference, I think the program will have to be built by getting 1 or 2 "keepers" per year. That gets you up to about 5 in a 4 year period.
Then that has to be supplemented with transfers and jucos. It is amazing how many transfers are playing in the tournament this year.
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It shouldn't be surprising... the NCAA has shredded any hint of a limit on transfers, they've thrown open the books on giving EVERY kid a 5th, 6th, 7th, etc year... what's the number of games that bohannin kid at iowa played in his decade as a hawkeye? 179? 185? 196?

once the covid extensions expire... it'll calm down but no rules wrt transfer will keep the ## higher than the 80s, 90s, 00s
 
sycamorebacker said:
I figured he wasn't playing for the same reason Crawford was getting little time. He was rotating about 8 players and they were freshmen.
Peterson may have elected to leave. He (along with me) may not have appreciated using Henry as a ball handler; or he may not have been confident
competing with Larry, Thomas and Martin for PT.
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I think Peterson saw that he was the odd man out with no playing time and the signing of Martin so he is leaving. No big deal just reality.
 
I'm gonna trust coach/staff and just watch this unfold. Even if we only have 3 or 4 guys that are set on staying now I'm of the mindset that next year will be better than this year. Just bc a guy puts his name in the portal it doesn't mean he is really leaving. He may find that there is no market for him on the D1 level. Maybe he is a freshman and would rather compete for time at the D1 level instead of leaving and getting 25 minutes/game at the D2 or JUCO level. Who knows? Its different if you're a junior already. But if you're classified as a freshman why not work harder and compete for the minutes you think you deserve? Where was I going with this? Maybe I shouldn't get on here when I'm drinking.
 
sycamorebacker said:
I figured he wasn't playing for the same reason Crawford was getting little time. He was rotating about 8 players and they were freshmen.
Peterson may have elected to leave. He (along with me) may not have appreciated using Henry as a ball handler; or he may not have been confident
competing with Larry, Thomas and Martin for PT.
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I think I'd be less concerned with the fact that Peterson is leaving and if "concerned" isn't the word maybe perplexed is the word - why JS was outwardly promoting Peterson this off-season. Not that he shouldn't promote the talents of his guys - he should. But I think it really lead some people to believe that maybe this kid was going to provide value.

I will say it's much much easier to see the forest for the trees when you properly evaluate Julian Larry and not even bring Crawford into this conversation. It becomes pretty simple - if you are a guard on a team that is struggling with offense production and your least productive player offensive player on the floor (Larry) continues to play... You have all the information you need. Don't look at Crawford. Don't read into JS pre-season comments. Don't look at anything. If you were on this roster this year and couldn't paly in front of Julian Larry AT ALL then you were not good enough to play for JS it's cut and dry.
 

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SycamoreStateofMind said:
I think I'd be less concerned with the fact that Peterson is leaving and if "concerned" isn't the word maybe perplexed is the word - why JS was outwardly promoting Peterson this off-season. Not that he shouldn't promote the talents of his guys - he should. But I think it really lead some people to believe that maybe this kid was going to provide value.

I will say it's much much easier to see the forest for the trees when you properly evaluate Julian Larry and not even bring Crawford into this conversation. It becomes pretty simple - if you are a guard on a team that is struggling with offense production and your least productive player offensive player on the floor (Larry) continues to play... You have all the information you need. Don't look at Crawford. Don't read into JS pre-season comments. Don't look at anything. If you were on this roster this year and couldn't paly in front of Julian Larry AT ALL then you were not good enough to play for JS it's cut and dry.
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Agree with the first part. Need to let the 2nd part sink in. I will say Larry provided something no other guard did - defense. If he wasn't as good as he was defensively I don't think he would've been playing, which would've opened the door for others.
 
hans1950 said:
I think Peterson saw that he was the odd man out with no playing time and the signing of Martin so he is leaving. No big deal just reality.
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When the reality is that it was likely a mutually parting of ways - but whatever makes you all feel better. You think JS was having him back if he wanted to be back? After finishing 11-20 and unable to see the floor ahead of Julian Larry? I tell you what - again it should give you major pause in this transfer ridden environment if JS was seriously considering having him back... Because if he's coming back it raises the question why he wasn't giving him a run on a losing team???

What are we talking about it here.
 
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CardLake49 said:
Agree with the first part. Need to let the 2nd part sink in. I will say Larry provided something no other guard did - defense. If he wasn't as good as he was defensively I don't think he would've been playing, which would've opened the door for others.
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No doubt his defense was the reason he was seeing the floor - absolutely. But if you listened to JS throughout the year as I did pretty closely - more so than I would have GL mainly because after years of GL as a coach his responses were quite predictable really - I'd assume it's that way with most coaches with a long tenure. But I wanted to hear what this guy had to say following losses and leading up to games and what he said was - this team struggles offensively. The numbers happen to bare that out team FG% 9th. Team 3 PT% 7th. Turnover Margin DFL. Assist to TO 8th.

The point being - if the statistics say your team is struggling on O. The HC is verbalizing that the team is struggling on O. If you can't find a better option that Julian Larry then you've got to re-evaluate your roster. BTW - not trying to bash Larry that isn't productive at all here. The kid played his butt off and he improved on both ends of the floor this season in my opinion. But you also have to realize that opposing D's have been ignoring him for two years now and his #'s are still pedestrian. You can't just ignore that if you want to have an open and honest conversation.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
When the reality is that it was likely a mutually parting of ways - but whatever makes you all feel better. You think JS was having him back if he wanted to be back? After finishing 11-20 and unable to see the floor ahead of Julian Larry? I tell you what - again it should give you major pause in this transfer ridden environment if JS was seriously considering having him back... Because if he's coming back it raises the question why he wasn't giving him a run on a losing team???

What are we talking about
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CardLake49 said:
Agree with the first part. Need to let the 2nd part sink in. I will say Larry provided something no other guard did - defense. If he wasn't as good as he was defensively I don't think he would've been playing, which would've opened the door for others.
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Yes, it's goofy to say that we struggled offensively when we were terrible at defense and rebounding. Some people have a narrow focus aimed at a scapegoat.
I'm a Republican, so I believe people can say and believe what they want. I don't think anyone should be censored. Some people should be executed, but not censored.
 

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sycamorebacker said:
Yes, it's goofy to say that we struggled offensively when we were terrible at defense and rebounding. Some people have a narrow focus aimed at a scapegoat.
I'm a Republican, so I believe people can say and believe what they want. I don't think anyone should be censored. Some people should be executed, but not censored.
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sycamorebacker said:
I hope he knows what he’s doing.

too many slackers on defense?
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Well....we sure couldn't stop anyone down the stretch in most winnable games this year. Also, we need players who won't turn the ball over and be able to catch a pass and finish at the rim. Not asking for much lol.
 
When a coach repeatedly bemoans the talent level of his own players, it would seem that wholesale changes are to be expected. I agree with other posters who have mentioned that we face a stiff uphill challenge in enticing players to campus currently...Shertz and his boys will have to be hellacious salesmen....hoping for the best.
 
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