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Players who are looking for "greener pastures" may be in for a rude surprise when they realize they are now in competition with hundreds of other transfers AND JC players AND high school recruits.
 
JS doing some "Spring House Cleaning"...surely he knows what works in his system and what doesn't after last season. Let's just hope that he has the recruiting savvy to UPGRADE, using Div I modeling.
 
I am ok with a couple players going to the portal. but if we see another season of 5, 6, 7, or 8 players like last year this concerns me. I understand the portal is wrecking havoc on college basketball, but i look at other programs and see a small amount of consistency with fewer numbers leaving. I hope this is due to Shertz only in his second year and he doesn't have "his team". As far as big men we are going have to dig deep into the portal. Bigs with any talent that would give ISU a look are pretty thin in this portal, and Avila next year i think will have a big learning curve jumping to Valley ball with the likes of the new teams coming in and the current teams at the top of the Valley. This on top of how college basketball is transitioning to a more penetrate and shoot pro style, we need a consistent big man who is a proven rebounder for second chances as everybody else utilizes. I see more holes than sure things for next years roster.
 

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EvilleSycamore said:
I am ok with a couple players going to the portal. but if we see another season of 5, 6, 7, or 8 players like last year this concerns me. I understand the portal is wrecking havoc on college basketball, but i look at other programs and see a small amount of consistency with fewer numbers leaving. I hope this is due to Shertz only in his second year and he doesn't have "his team". As far as big men we are going have to dig deep into the portal. Bigs with any talent that would give ISU a look are pretty thin in this portal, and Avila next year i think will have a big learning curve jumping to Valley ball with the likes of the new teams coming in and the current teams at the top of the Valley. This on top of how college basketball is transitioning to a more penetrate and shoot pro style, we need a consistent big man who is a proven rebounder for second chances as everybody else utilizes. I see more holes than sure things for next years roster.
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You're going to see that this year most likely.
 
sycamorebacker said:
I disagree. I think this is it. With Martin and Avila and 2 more, I think we are all set.
Already, Martin and Avila bring a lot of talent to our team, and look out for Stephens and Crawford.
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Do you know what 6' 10" KJ Williams (if he doesn't go pro) of Murray State or 6'11" Musyzynski of Bellmont, or a few others in the league are going to do to any big man on our roster? We must face each of these guys 2 potentially three next year? If not please go watch the Purdue vs ISU game from this year and see what Eady and Williams did to these same bigs or let alone a rookie Freshman in Avila. They disrupted the whole plan for us on both ends. It will not be pretty.
 
sycamorebacker said:
I disagree. I think this is it. With Martin and Avila and 2 more, I think we are all set.
Already, Martin and Avila bring a lot of talent to our team, and look out for Stephens and Crawford.
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Our 1st and 2nd string centers left. Our 3rd string center that couldn't see the floor over them is still here. If there isn't at least one more, that is a missed opportunity.

I still think we potentially see several more leave especially based on the number of stones Boisvert and crew are turning over in recruiting.
 

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As long as we upgrade the talent at the positions that are opening up, I'm cool with that. This is a very important offseason for the staff. I think they'll pass the test. (y)
 
EvilleSycamore said:
Do you know what 6' 10" KJ Williams (if he doesn't go pro) of Murray State or 6'11" Musyzynski of Bellmont, or a few others in the league are going to do to any big man on our roster? We must face each of these guys 2 potentially three next year? If not please go watch the Purdue vs ISU game from this year and see what Eady and Williams did to these same bigs or let alone a rookie Freshman in Avila. They disrupted the whole plan for us on both ends. It will not be pretty.
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If you are saying we need a quality big I agree. If you are saying we cut more players to get them, i don’t agree.
We have 2 openings. How many player upgrades do you think we can get beyond that?
Building a team is a step by step process.
 
hans1950 said:
No real surprises yet. Once Peterson was healthy and didn't play at all you had to figure. Wilbar started many games but only got 5 minutes never to see the floor again.
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You had to figure that??? Hmmm because maybe one or two people on this forum actually explained that throughout the season and the rest were thinking it was some hidden reason that he was actually really good just JS decided not to play him.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
I’d say you will be looking at something like this once all is said and done… Key - out. Hittle - out. Peterson - out. Tucker out.

Wilbar - close. Henry - close.

It’a tough enough to replace four players - a complete roster overhaul would be pretty difficult to accomplish. Even though Wilbar and Henry got a lot of run I wouldn’t assume either are safe. Henry because of his inability to grasp the mental aspect of D1 college athletics and Wilbar because of his production.

In a perfect world you get Henry to understand his mental is really the only thing standing in his way from being a really good player at this level. The problem is he was just asked to do way way to much this season once Key went down.
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Didn’t miss it by much.
 

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pbutler218 said:
I look for the offers to start being extended soon. Plenty of D1 talent out there.
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The problem isn't a "lot of D1 Talent out there" as you say. The Real problem is D1 WITH talent that would even consider ISU given the place we are in with everything being in flux. Putting aside our love for ISU, Ask yourself if you were a solid D1 talent and ISU called would you consider coming here with the Chaos we are in now or would you consider another program in a mid major that is producing. Take for example Murray State or ISU who would you think was a better place to land? ISU vs Dayton, Bellmont, now St. Peters, or a whole list. I just dont think we are at a place to land Upper talent that we are desperately needing to rebuild. I wish i knew the way the teams i named or a host of other can land a D1 difference maker. I really hope Schertz proves me wrong.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
You had to figure that??? Hmmm because maybe one or two people on this forum actually explained that throughout the season and the rest were thinking it was some hidden reason that he was actually really good just JS decided not to play him.
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I figured he wasn't playing for the same reason Crawford was getting little time. He was rotating about 8 players and they were freshmen.
Peterson may have elected to leave. He (along with me) may not have appreciated using Henry as a ball handler; or he may not have been confident
competing with Larry, Thomas and Martin for PT.
 
EvilleSycamore said:
The problem isn't a "lot of D1 Talent out there" as you say. The Real problem is D1 WITH talent that would even consider ISU given the place we are in with everything being in flux. Putting aside our love for ISU, Ask yourself if you were a solid D1 talent and ISU called would you consider coming here with the Chaos we are in now or would you consider another program in a mid major that is producing. Take for example Murray State or ISU who would you think was a better place to land? ISU vs Dayton, Bellmont, now St. Peters, or a whole list. I just dont think we are at a place to land Upper talent that we are desperately needing to rebuild. I wish i knew the way the teams i named or a host of other can land a D1 difference maker. I really hope Schertz proves me wrong.
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Winners get good players. Losers get what's left over. I think the 4 HS players Coach has signed have been fine. But, with our record and standing in the conference, I think the program will have to be built by getting 1 or 2 "keepers" per year. That gets you up to about 5 in a 4 year period.
Then that has to be supplemented with transfers and jucos. It is amazing how many transfers are playing in the tournament this year.
 
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