So who is coming back and who's leaving

[Gotta Hav]

Who recruited the players that won every single ISU regular season and Arch Madness championship since 1979? What happened to ISU recruiting when he left? Royce Waltman answered that question publicly.

When JS gets the program in a better spot than Lansing had it let me know. Based on the few people on here that actually know what they're talking about its sounding like it'll maybe, maybe be the year 2025. Talk to you then.

Whoa, slow down there Doc Brown!

Q. Who recruited the players that won every single ISU regular season and Arch Madness championship since 1979?
A. Can we just establish the Flux Capacitor time jumping parameters to just the 2010/2011 season forward. 95% of this board wasn't even alive in 1955, let alone born before 1979.

Q. What happened to ISU recruiting when he left? Royce Waltman answered that question publicly.
A. I hate to answer a question with a question. Who left in 1979? Lansing wasn't even born until 1967.

Yeah, I like the 2025 date, maybe I'll talk to you then when we make the Final Four. Hey, ya gotta hav dreams!

 

[Jason Svoboda]

I don't like the roster turnover either, but in JS defense, he had a late start to put the roster together. Also, he was recruiting DII players up to that point. So not only was he behind the ball as far as putting his roster together, he had to learn as much as he could about players he would not have been recruiting at the DII level. I think this will be the year to really judge the roster construction and be more of how he wants the team to perform going forward.

I think people need to realize there has been a paradigm shift at the NCAA level.

We now essentially have free agency. This is the new normal and I expect even more player-friendly rules to continue to be ushered in.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Probably not do it any different… But I’m not naive - I think it will be a miracle if 2 of the 4 are pieces. I just think it’s going to be tough for him.

 

[Hooper]

We now essentially have free agency.

Without franchise tags nonetheless.

 

[4Q_iu]

Why didn’t Lansing get hired @ ISU Red? No one more familiar with the Valley and of course, we know he would have been willing to coach for half the price they paid for the Ohio St guy.

Sounds like a question for the ISU Red AD, Pres and community -- ask them

 

[4Q_iu]

While I don't like the massive roster changes back to back seasons, I am not sure how much to put that on coach. There has to be some responsibility on his part, it is HIS team afterall, but last year was a disaster from the beginning. He had limited time to put together an entire roster, taking chances without really getting to know guys. I feel like with more time and better opportunities to sit down face to face with prospective recruits he will do better the second time around. He has seen his system against better competition and knows what he needs and what did/didn't work. This is a solid coaching staff who are very well respected and I think they will do a good job getting us ready for next season.

...his system against better competition? His system was utilized strictly in the NCAA Div II ranks - not Div I, be it in the Valley or other Div I conf

He's now in Year 2 - has been for weeks, his next test is in ~30 weeks

 

[4Q_iu]

We've had football team since 1896 and I'll speak for 98% of the fans who've ever followed ISU Football. ISU football does NOT have a football program, we have a football teams. NDSU has a football program. So equating ISU football to our winning basketball program that's had seven Final Four appearances, four NCAA tournament runner-up experiences. and one NCAA Basketball Championship is like comparing deliciously cold fresh spring water, to water from the Wabash river.

ISU has had a football program since 1920; from 1896-1919, ISU only fielded a team in ten seasons. ISU can claim 1896 but they've consistently been a program since 1920.

The MBB program has played in a "final four" setting seven times, however, they only possess 2 NCAA R/U trophies, not 4. NAIB & NAIA trophies aren't NCAA trophies and the NAIB National title is exactly that - an NAIB title.

Perhaps you've sucked up too much Oubache River water at this point in time

 

[4Q_iu]

Whoa, slow down there Doc Brown!

Q. Who recruited the players that won every single ISU regular season and Arch Madness championship since 1979?
A. Can we just establish the Flux Capacitor time jumping parameters to just the 2010/2011 season forward. 95% of this board wasn't even alive in 1955, let alone born before 1979.

Q. What happened to ISU recruiting when he left? Royce Waltman answered that question publicly.
A. I hate to answer a question with a question. Who left in 1979? Lansing wasn't even born until 1967.

Yeah, I like the 2025 date, maybe I'll talk to you then when we make the Final Four. Hey, ya gotta hav dreams!

You must pretend to be a lawyer

Answer Hooper's questions -- or does the answer frighten you?

 

[jben]

For the record....Indiana State Teachers College won the National Intercollegiate Tournament in 1950
going 5-0. In 1946 and 1948 they finished runner-up to SIU and Louisville respectively. In 1949 they lost the 3rd place game
and went 3-2. In 1953, after losing to eventual champion SW Missouri, they won the 3rd place game and went 4-1.
Between 1942 and 1963 ISU participate in the tourney 12 times: 1942 (2-1), 1943 (0-1), 1946 (4-1), 1948 (4-1),
1949 (3-2), 1950 (5-0), 1952 (1-1), 1953 (4-1), 1954 (0-1), 1959 (1-1), 1962 (0-1) and 1963 (1-1).
To the best of knowledge the tournament was a 32 team affair played in Kansas City, Mo. It is now known as the N.A.I.A.
tourney.
Several present day HM schools participated at this level over the years.

 

[tahein07]

My final take away of the day is my best take away...

We still have Mervis. Bye.

Mervis is a walk on.

 

[Parsons]

I like having smart students from suburban Indianapolis. He is an asset.

 

[4Q_iu]

For the record....Indiana State Teachers College won the National Intercollegiate Tournament in 1950
going 5-0. In 1946 and 1948 they finished runner-up to SIU and Louisville respectively. In 1949 they lost the 3rd place game
and went 3-2. In 1953, after losing to eventual champion SW Missouri, they won the 3rd place game and went 4-1.
Between 1942 and 1963 ISU participate in the tourney 12 times: 1942 (2-1), 1943 (0-1), 1946 (4-1), 1948 (4-1),
1949 (3-2), 1950 (5-0), 1952 (1-1), 1953 (4-1), 1954 (0-1), 1959 (1-1), 1962 (0-1) and 1963 (1-1).
To the best of knowledge the tournament was a 32 team affair played in Kansas City, Mo. It is now known as the N.A.I.A.
tourney.
Several present day HM schools participated at this level over the years.

In later years, it's bounced from KC to Tulsa, to Oklahoma City, back to it's original home in KC's Muni. Auditorium

Home of the 'Roos!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAIA_Men's_Basketball_Championships

 

[bigsportsfan]

I am not pushing the panic button yet. If this level of turnover happens next year and beyond, however, I will change that stance.

Still giving HCJS benefit of the doubt for now. If six people were going to leave, this would be my list of hopefuls (except Key). Not sure there are any devastating losses in the other five group in terms of talent.

I wish we had more involvement with Indiana kids. Not that they are all better than anyone in the other states, but we badly need basketball IQ to go with our returners (at this point) and our newbies.

I watch players like Comer from Cathedral (EKy) and Suder from Carmel (Bellarmine) go to the Bluegrass state and I wonder if they were ever pursued by us. I know they could both help, along with others in the state. Maybe they had no interest in us. Who knows?

I hope our strategy is to build the program over time and not just get a ton of portal “scratch and dent” guys to focus mostly on next year. (Except for a 5 man.)

Go Trees!

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Mervis is a walk on.

Mervis as the GOAT is a running joke here.

In Mervis We Trust!

 

[IndyTreeFan]

I am not pushing the panic button yet. If this level of turnover happens next year and beyond, however, I will change that stance.

Still giving HCJS benefit of the doubt for now. If six people were going to leave, this would be my list of hopefuls (except Key). Not sure there are any devastating losses in the other five group in terms of talent.

I wish we had more involvement with Indiana kids. Not that they are all better than anyone in the other states, but we badly need basketball IQ to go with our returners (at this point) and our newbies.

I watch players like Comer from Cathedral (EKy) and Suder from Carmel (Bellarmine) go to the Bluegrass state and I wonder if they were ever pursued by us. I know they could both help, along with others in the state. Maybe they had no interest in us. Who knows?

I hope our strategy is to build the program over time and not just get a ton of portal “scratch and dent” guys to focus mostly on next year. (Except for a 5 man.)

Go Trees!

ISU is virtually blackballed in Carmel. Under Dr. Bradley, they had started to make a teeny, tiny bit of headway, but under Curtis, that ended. As I understand it, their athletes won't even talk to us. I know HCJS is recruiting at least one kid from Carmel, so hopefully, he can change the perception.

But I also think that heavy roster turnover is going to be more and more the norm at MVC level schools, as the transfer portal promises greener pastures in the fields of the P5...

 

[treeman]

Under Dr. Bradley, they had started to make a teeny, tiny bit of headway, but under Curtis, that ended. As I understand it, their athletes won't even talk to us.

care to elaborate on this?

 

[IndyTreeFan]

care to elaborate on this?

Under Dr. Bradley, we were doing a lot of marketing up there, under Curtis, no marketing. Admissions was gutted, so very little personal contact. And the student demographic up there doesn't fit with what she wants at ISU.

We're most definitely less than an afterthought in Carmel...

 

[Hooper]

ISU is virtually blackballed in Carmel. Under Dr. Bradley, they had started to make a teeny, tiny bit of headway, but under Curtis, that ended. As I understand it, their athletes won't even talk to us. I know HCJS is recruiting at least one kid from Carmel, so hopefully, he can change the perception.

But I also think that heavy roster turnover is going to be more and more the norm at MVC level schools, as the transfer portal promises greener pastures in the fields of the P5...

ISU still gets swimmers from Carmel....the best girls swimming program in America btw.

 

[bigsportsfan]

Under Dr. Bradley, we were doing a lot of marketing up there, under Curtis, no marketing. Admissions was gutted, so very little personal contact. And the student demographic up there doesn't fit with what she wants at ISU.

We're most definitely less than an afterthought in Carmel...

If that’s true, that’s pitiful. But I mean we should be getting qualified in-state kids from anywhere, not just Carmel.

 

[IndyTreeFan]

If that’s true, that’s pitiful. But I mean we should be getting qualified in-state kids from anywhere, not just Carmel.

Absolutely. Carmel is just a really glaring example. We obviously don't have that problem everywhere in Indiana. But Carmel is fertile ground for athletics recruiting, so it would be nice to be able to get a foot in the door there. We've been able to do that a little at Cathedral, so maybe between Schertz and Mallory, they can pull off some magic in Carmel.