State Budget Committee OKs funding for Hulman Center project

[Bluethunder]

This may be a dumb question, but would playing all games outside of the HC make the project go faster? IF they are going to start right after the season and then have conference games only in the HC during the season for two years, what would the timeline be if we just played all games out of the HC next season?

If that wouldn't speed up the timeline anyway, then my vote would be to play in the arena. They have a year to figure out the logistics of bathrooms, locker rooms, seating. I would think it is doable.

 

[WOZ]

I believe there are those in the athletics office as passionate as we are. We all know that money has dictated a lot of what they can do. I'd love to play some games in the arena, I just don't think it's feasible because of the lack of seating, modern scoreboards, restrooms, concessions, etc.

Yes, you are absolutely right that there are passionate people working in our athletic offices and I apologize if I offended anyone.
However; can one be passionate without being enthusiastic?

 

[SycamoreFan317]

I vote for going on the road and playing through out the state. The Ball State game in two years should definitely be at Bankers Life. There are high school venues across the state that are more than big enough but I am not sure if the floors can be lengthen to 94 feet or not or can we get a exemption. I just think this would be a great recruiting opportunity for both academics and athletics as well as alumni.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_...cle_389d479f-59e5-51ff-853e-fdfc2fc5c63b.html

Who are these people and what in the heck are they doing?

Do they know how to get public support for any project they propose? Apparently not, how does a meeting like this take place - the media has enough time to attend but the two representatives from Indiana State say they were not invited. WTF

 

[treeman]

http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_...cle_389d479f-59e5-51ff-853e-fdfc2fc5c63b.html

Who are these people and what in the heck are they doing?

Do they know how to get public support for any project they propose? Apparently not, how does a meeting like this take place - the media has enough time to attend but the two representatives from Indiana State say they were not invited. WTF

It's almost comical (in a bad way) the way this situation played out. You can't blame Bradley for not wanting to give up any power over the Hulman Center. I really don't understand how shit like this can even take place these days.

 

[TreeTop]

Idiots and Children. And one of them is the mayor, right?

 

[Jason Svoboda]

http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_...cle_389d479f-59e5-51ff-853e-fdfc2fc5c63b.html

Who are these people and what in the heck are they doing?

Do they know how to get public support for any project they propose? Apparently not, how does a meeting like this take place - the media has enough time to attend but the two representatives from Indiana State say they were not invited. WTF

You can't fire me... I quit!

What a sad lot of individuals in that room there. There shouldn't be any wonder why Terre Haute is struggling. What's worse is all of these clowns will continue to be appointed to boards and re-elected because of the GOH club.

 

[Westbadenboy]

If they ever do raise the money to build a separate "convention center" (I still don't know what kind of "conventions" come to small cities like Terre Haute ?) which is doubtful, and its a couple of blocks away, it will be interesting what happens if they would get some type of convention/meeting that needs a large display area and want to use the renovated Hulman Center.

As has been talked about much here city/county politics in Terre Haute/Vigo Co have always been full of crap ............from Tucker to Larrison to ......etc.....etc The old saying from the Middle East about reaching a peace agreement there applies here .........
"They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity"
Move forward ISU, get a great new President, keep building academic programs, enhancing the campus, upping enrollment, and supporting better and better athletic programs.
Unless and until the folks of Terre Haute finally wake up and see the rest of the world advancing further and further ahead of them and then decide they'd like to catch up, nothing will change.

 

[meistro]

There's always been a disconnect with ISU and the city and I don't understand it. Why doesn't our community embrace ISU like other communities their universities?

 

[BankShot]

There's always been a disconnect with ISU and the city and I don't understand it. Why doesn't our community embrace ISU like other communities their universities?

In TH, it's all about "Fiefdom Politics"...been this way for over a century, and it's reinforced by the outdated township system of government. In a nutshell, it's an UNWILLINGNESS to share or "compromise." I laugh when I hear the term "collaborate" tossed around like a loose roll of toilet paper during the Fontanet Bean Dinner. :lol:

Yes, and Judy Anderson needs to go back to driving a school bus (she did his for 20 yrs., before prostituting the name of ANOTHER Judy Anderson, who was once Mayor of TH and had a popular husband - Vigo School Teacher/Coach). Bottom line is that she is NOW the essence of the Democratic Party in Vigo County...sad state of affairs, but didn't the other CIB members have a CONSCIENCE or balz?

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

It's almost comical (in a bad way) the way this situation played out. You can't blame Bradley for not wanting to give up any power over the Hulman Center. I really don't understand how shit like this can even take place these days.

The way it played out? Hell, apparently it's still playing out? Or maybe not? The article actually reads the way it plays out with members of the CIB asking open ended questions with no real apparent answer to the questions they are asking. Bank nailed it - no give in take by anyone in any instance. None of that is friendly fire - it's always a pissing match in Terre Haute.

There's always been a disconnect with ISU and the city and I don't understand it. Why doesn't our community embrace ISU like other communities their universities?

The two can't even agree on what side the convention center should face - in said phase 2 one group wanted the convention center to face downtown Terre Haute (seems logical) and the other wanted it to face campus (seems like self interest). The fact that they can't even agree on that shows just how dysfunctional this group was from the word "GO".

I've gone from being irritated at Bradley/ISU. To being irritated with the City/County (Marvel/Anderson). And back to being irritated with everyone involved. How can any of them continue to let this play out in the paper the way it has?? What in the hell ever happened to "no comment"? What is the point in them taking down the curtains and taking shots at each other in the public? Honestly, it serves no purpose - they are not being forthcoming by letting the consuming public watch them take jabs back and forth...

It was the most nothing article I've ever seen in my life. When you end a sentence with a question it demands an answer and all of the sentences in that article were ended with a question.

 

[BankShot]

I'm now wondering how this "bumbling" might interfere w/ the ISU/HC architectural costs. Did the "plans" include the possibility of a future "add-on" Convention Center, and what changes might be forthcoming to the design now that the "CIB" is totally out of the picture? Will ISU sue the CIB for "Breach of Contract?"

This whole turn of events by the CIB idiots seems more "punitive" ("We'll get back at those ISU people.") than anything else...

Btw, this "comment" by LastCamp on the Trib-Star article pretty well sums up the whole incident:
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"Let's see, we asked them to resign, but they didn't, so we just decided not to tell them when we have meetings. That will fix everything. When they don't show up for the meeting they don't know about, that means they have quit. Or something like that.

I wonder if their lawyer told them that would be legal. Surely not. But then, where do they get these ideas? Maybe they think that not telling their lawyer makes it legal.

Once again I am reminded of Alice in Wonderland, where just saying things makes them so. When Alice questions that odd idea, Humpty Dumpty goes on to explain, "The question is, which is to be master-that's all." That sure sounds familiar.

Two of these people are County Commissioners who, for months and months, have repeatedly referred to non-existent court orders about the jail. Another has been in the middle of the magical sludge to diesel fiasco that has gotten the city sued. And then there is the multi-hatted and peripatetic Mr. Witt, who conveniently chooses which of his multiple jobs he is doing at the time by simply calling himself whatever is convenient to the outcome.

Indeed, strange dealings and weird ideas here in Vigo. The difference between these folks and Lewis Carroll is that our locals think this is the way the world really works."

 

[BrokerZ]

I'm not sure why Dr. Bradley felt it necessary to respond at all. We got our money. We're moving forward. As for he or anyone else at ISU, why do you care what the CIB does any longer? Phase 2 stopped being relevant the minute ISU moved forward on it's own. Who gives a shit when a letter was postmarked versus the date/time of the meeting?

We (ISU) have taken our ball and gone home. Why do we care if the other team decides to play another game without us?

Lastly, what an absolute terrible misappropriation of funds to try and build a $25M "convention/civic center" in downtown Terre Haute. I don't live in Terre Haute and haven't for quite some time, but there strikes me to be plenty of better places and projects for which to use those funds.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

I'm not sure why Dr. Bradley felt it necessary to respond at all. We got our money. We're moving forward. As for he or anyone else at ISU, why do you care what the CIB does any longer? Phase 2 stopped being relevant the minute ISU moved forward on it's own. Who gives a shit when a letter was postmarked versus the date/time of the meeting?

We (ISU) have taken our ball and gone home. Why do we care if the other team decides to play another game without us?

Lastly, what an absolute terrible misappropriation of funds to try and build a $25M "convention/civic center" in downtown Terre Haute. I don't live in Terre Haute and haven't for quite some time, but there strikes me to be plenty of better places and projects for which to use those funds.

Maybe as a last "fuck you" out the door? They tried to sabotage the Hulman Center project with the injunction stunt they pulled at the State House and luckily the folks up there saw through that. My guess is he basically wanted to say:

But seriously, he could have given a "no comment" to the paper but decided to be transparent. Don't we always bitch about the lack of transparency with regards to government and business dealings? He could have had a good rapport with the TribStar and felt it necessary to make sure they got the story right so the next President doesn't walk into any dog pies on the front lawn?

The fact that the CIB still has plans and their behavior throughout the entire process, and tied to the fact of some of the "rumored" moves they've tried to pull as well as other political/business dealings from members on that board gives me no resource but to completely point the finger at them. They're corrupt and unethical cretins and I'm glad we're not "doing business" with them.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

You should read the paper again today as this continues to play out... I mean what in the absolute hell - first the jail and now this. The tact of these folks is as poor as you will ever see.

 

[4Q_iu]

If they ever do raise the money to build a separate "convention center" (I still don't know what kind of "conventions" come to small cities like Terre Haute ?) which is doubtful, and its a couple of blocks away, it will be interesting what happens if they would get some type of convention/meeting that needs a large display area and want to use the renovated Hulman Center...

The type of conventions this facility would draw would be state and 'regional' (Upper Midwest) - level conventions.

likely 2-4 day conventions; nothing on a national level because:

1) little to no air travel to The Haute
2) too few hotel rooms to book a huge, HUGE national convention

sad to see ISU and the city, county (continue) to 'oppose' one another but sadly, NOT surprising

 

[BrokerZ]

You should read the paper again today as this continues to play out... I mean what in the absolute hell - first the jail and now this. The tact of these folks is as poor as you will ever see.

I can't hear their complaints or sour grapes. I have $37.5M in cash around my years that's blocking my hearing.

 

[niklz62]

Maybe as a last "fuck you" out the door? They tried to sabotage the Hulman Center project with the injunction stunt they pulled at the State House and luckily the folks up there saw through that. My guess is he basically wanted to say:

But seriously, he could have given a "no comment" to the paper but decided to be transparent. Don't we always bitch about the lack of transparency with regards to government and business dealings? He could have had a good rapport with the TribStar and felt it necessary to make sure they got the story right so the next President doesn't walk into any dog pies on the front lawn?

The fact that the CIB still has plans and their behavior throughout the entire process, and tied to the fact of some of the "rumored" moves they've tried to pull as well as other political/business dealings from members on that board gives me no resource but to completely point the finger at them. They're corrupt and unethical cretins and I'm glad we're not "doing business" with them.

He should have been more Presidential and tweeted it.

 

[Sycamorefan96]

Thought I'd add my two cents. I'm not sure what really wrong with the Hulman Center. I personally don't think it is an ugly building and I honestly think it is a pretty great basketball facility. The only improvements off hand that I can think of that I would like to see are all blue seats and seats at the ends to make it a true bowl shape. I really couldn't care less about the luxury boxes, the sound system, or the lights.

I went to the Valpo / Purdue game (at Purdue) last week and I thought their arena was a total dump. They literally have plastic benches as their seats in the upper level. At least all of our (permanent) seats have cushions and are real seats. If anyone is wondering, the Hulman Center is at least 3X nicer than Mackey Arena, if not more.

Regardless, I'm interested in seeing what renovations will be made and I'm sure with as much money as we're putting into it, it's going to look really good when it's done.

 

[meistro]

Thought I'd add my two cents. I'm not sure what really wrong with the Hulman Center. I personally don't think it is an ugly building and I honestly think it is a pretty great basketball facility. The only improvements off hand that I can think of that I would like to see are all blue seats and seats at the ends to make it a true bowl shape. I really couldn't care less about the luxury boxes, the sound system, or the lights.

I went to the Valpo / Purdue game (at Purdue) last week and I thought their arena was a total dump. They literally have plastic benches as their seats in the upper level. At least all of our (permanent) seats have cushions and are real seats. If anyone is wondering, the Hulman Center is at least 3X nicer than Mackey Arena, if not more.

Regardless, I'm interested in seeing what renovations will be made and I'm sure with as much money as we're putting into it, it's going to look really good when it's done.

I disagree about Mackey. Yes, it has bleachers for a lot of the seating. But, all the video, lighting and scoreboard updates make it a great fan experience. And the concourse has all been updated. They purposely left the old feel in place. The exterior of Hulman Center is falling apart. The concourse is in desperate need of updating. I agree with what you want inside, although I'd lower the ceiling and reduce seats. Diehard basketball fans may not care about lights, video boards etc. But, most of the up and coming generations do, or you wouldn't see most arenas constantly updating.