Totally agree. I had a conversation back in 1980 with a Philosophy Professor asking me should universities should add trade classes. I asked him if you were a welder, or took your Business Degree to go find a job, who would make more money. Crickets. Ya, CDL, Welding, Plumbing, Electrical ect… Absolutely. I build houses in Texas, and I’m on knees begging workers who hardly speak English to work. Go figure!
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Updated: Indiana State University to cut administration positions, jobs as part of $2.3 million budget reduction
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Did you pose that same question to a prof. in the Business Department? Your Philosophy Prof. likely posed a navel gazing question
who makes up the bulk of your work force? illegals who barely speak English OR those who've been forced out of the building trade b/c of all of the illegals? and the developers who refuse to pay a living wage to legals?
Depends -- why do illegals finish the "same work" in half the time? Cut corners? Is it the quality? Yep, silent response.
how may different SSNs and/or Tax IDs are spread across the 1099s?
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So you don't think outside the box.
Hey, you are more than welcome to come to Texas In blistering heat where you can’t even breathe and dig ditches. I’d like to see you last year after year. Big mouth doesn’t make a Big Man. I’m done with you! Stick to the subject of the post.
Why would ISU have classes that are ALREADY available at IVY Tech in Terre Haute? And virtually everyone other Ivy Tech across the state?
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I've spent more than my fair share of time in texas -- i was smart enough to leave that f**king state -- stay and bake if you choose, except this weekend when another record winter storm will cripple the place -- And you were about as far off topic of ISU layoffs with your texas construction woes but you be you
Why would they offer classes that IU and PU offer?
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I posted the note as information only. Of course elimination of programs with no students makes sense. But the line that bothers me is a reduction of 34% since Fall of 2017. I spoke with a retired faculty member yesterday and i can not prove the validity of the statement but he said the total given includes all students even those taking one credit hour and if measured by Full Time Equivalent students thr number is closer to 6,000 students.
The student reduction took place over time and there is no quick fix. I would have stressed quality in all things including sports programs. I would have possibly reduced some to put more money into others. I would have done my best to bring public acclaim to the success to spread the word about us being a quality institution. I believe internal jealousies have at times stopped the publicity of some events. I would have made sure that the faculty and staff supported that we are all on the same page in terms of supporting the school. I know of some faculty who actually downgraded the school during class.
I would have hired administrators that understood that constructive criticism is good for the university and that itnis not a personal attack on anyone.
I would have tried to cement quality relationships with top companies so they would be supportive of our initiatives. A little known fact is that one of the first stufent computing labs was built in the College of Business through a grant of more than $100,000 i received from NCR and then changed to AT&T. I competed and 16 universities (includingbsome of the best known universities) through the country were selected as recipients. When I directed that a sign be put up labeling it as the "AT&T LAB." there was quite a resistance to that name.
I believe many were supported who were in the emperor wore no clothes team .... if you did not make waves and was a kiss ass all was good and you may be supported but not so if you weren"t. You might even be looked at as a trouble maker. I think that is true in many places but a loss of business or firings limit it in corporate enterprise.
As far as welders and others i actually brought in speakers from.unions to speak of the apprecticeships that exist. I think more should be done to make students aware of these. That does not mean we should teach it but maybe serve as a better conduit to them. Developing relationships with many businesses would help us grow our reputation and keep our student body from decreasing at the rate we have.
I was fortunate to work under Dean Jack Goebel who understood quality and what is needed for a quality institution. However, not all leadership has been that good. What would I do? I from.now on would hire selfless leaders who committed love for the university and the community. I would not hire those who looked at our institution to do only what is necessary to have ISU As a stepping stone to another position at another university.
But ... i repeat ... I truly initiated the original post to share information as some on this site may live distantly from.here. And maybe in the back of my mind it was food for thought for taking action. . To do things not just to.make us look good but to actually be good. To be proactive and not reactive. .
The student reduction took place over time and there is no quick fix. I would have stressed quality in all things including sports programs. I would have possibly reduced some to put more money into others. I would have done my best to bring public acclaim to the success to spread the word about us being a quality institution. I believe internal jealousies have at times stopped the publicity of some events. I would have made sure that the faculty and staff supported that we are all on the same page in terms of supporting the school. I know of some faculty who actually downgraded the school during class.
I would have hired administrators that understood that constructive criticism is good for the university and that itnis not a personal attack on anyone.
I would have tried to cement quality relationships with top companies so they would be supportive of our initiatives. A little known fact is that one of the first stufent computing labs was built in the College of Business through a grant of more than $100,000 i received from NCR and then changed to AT&T. I competed and 16 universities (includingbsome of the best known universities) through the country were selected as recipients. When I directed that a sign be put up labeling it as the "AT&T LAB." there was quite a resistance to that name.
I believe many were supported who were in the emperor wore no clothes team .... if you did not make waves and was a kiss ass all was good and you may be supported but not so if you weren"t. You might even be looked at as a trouble maker. I think that is true in many places but a loss of business or firings limit it in corporate enterprise.
As far as welders and others i actually brought in speakers from.unions to speak of the apprecticeships that exist. I think more should be done to make students aware of these. That does not mean we should teach it but maybe serve as a better conduit to them. Developing relationships with many businesses would help us grow our reputation and keep our student body from decreasing at the rate we have.
I was fortunate to work under Dean Jack Goebel who understood quality and what is needed for a quality institution. However, not all leadership has been that good. What would I do? I from.now on would hire selfless leaders who committed love for the university and the community. I would not hire those who looked at our institution to do only what is necessary to have ISU As a stepping stone to another position at another university.
But ... i repeat ... I truly initiated the original post to share information as some on this site may live distantly from.here. And maybe in the back of my mind it was food for thought for taking action. . To do things not just to.make us look good but to actually be good. To be proactive and not reactive. .
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They should just be honest and call it the office of "Reverse Racism". I'm sure a complete nut works it. MLK wanted a color blind society, not an equitable society. And there's a huge difference between equality and equity. Even our Declaration of Independence talks about equality and God given rights.
Well, I'd start with this...
Why is PU-W. Laf offering classes that WE offer? We're older.
When the state decided to charter a 'State Normal School' - why were ANY other state colleges/universities allowed to offer classes in pedagogy? Why was the ISNS Eastern Division opened?
But to your point? Universities are not trade schools. Should they be? Does the state LACK skilled tradesmen? perhaps - then local businesses should LOOK to trade schools, and HS to produce those people.
Perhaps, ISU and other schools, wouldn't be struggling with enrollment issues IF...
the state of indiana didn't have 16 separate campuses under 6 Univ Presidents PLUS the bloated Ivy Tech system; people complain about ISU have an EEO and a DEIA office(s)... no idea why BUT the bigger, more bloated issue is a state as small as Indiana having 56+ college campuses (16 plus the 40+ IVY Tech)?
Is anyone tracking that IUPUI is "divorcing" itself? In the very near future, it'll become IU_Indy and PU_Indy... just as IPFW did... where's the efficiency in those models?
GOP loves to yammer about gov't waste, bloated expenditures... yet GOPer Mitch Daniels is behind both of them; not sure where GOPer Eric Holcomb stands on the topic
"Reverse Racism" is an oxymoron.
There's simply racism.
Also recommend you spend more time poring over the U.S. Constitution as it's the framework for our form of government and foundation for our laws.
The Declaration is, effectively, a big middle finger to George 3 and Great Britian.
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Your first sentence is a great question.
I'd be curious to see the reduction rate for full time students -- I think that is 12 credit hours, right? Does anyone know if that data exists?
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Yep. Upper right hand corner of the first page. Hate to see it but....ISU only has 5,073 full time undergrads right now. Brutal.
And you can compare it to other semesters by picking here:
Enrollment Summary - Institutional Research
Yep. Upper right hand corner of the first page. Hate to see it but....ISU only has 5,073 full time undergrads right now. Brutal.
And you can compare it to other semesters by picking here:
Enrollment Summary - Institutional Research
irt2.indstate.edu
So full time undergrad
2018 - 8,225
2019 - 7,859 - 4.4% drop yoy
2020 - 7,156 - 8.9% drop yoy
2021 - 6,320 - 11.6% drop yoy
2022 - 5,402 - 14.5% drop yoy
2021 - 5,073 - 6.1% drop yoy
-38.3% drop since 2018 if my math is right for all of those.
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niklz62
The JSW Level
has the way they announced enrollment always been that way (including the 1 class to part time students)
Im pretty sure eiu does this too
Im pretty sure eiu does this too
Get serious!
Can you imagine how much better off ISU would be with Daniels than Curtis?
She’s in waaaaaay over her head!