Updated: Indiana State University to cut administration positions, jobs as part of $2.3 million budget reduction

[4Q_iu]

Get serious!
Can you imagine how much better off ISU would be with Daniels than Curtis?
She’s in waaaaaay over her head!

You missed the point.

Dick Lugar and others thought it was a pretty efficient/cost effective method to MERGE the existing IU and Purdue programs in Indianapolis... it worked so well, they did it in Fort Wayne... hell, it worked SO WELL, that they expanded it to Columbus (and frankly speaking) people can take a certain number of Purdue programs at any of the Regional IU "High Schools."

Today, 50+ years laters, Lil' Mitchie Daniels thinks it's "better" to split the two schools and somehow they'll be efficiencies?

Doesn't seem like Lil' Mitchie Daniels learned ANYTHING from his time on Lugar's staff

Hasn't Daniels sole goal at Purdue to "pull up the ladder" behind kids that are in? Yes, he's frozen tuition (for Indiana kids) -- maybe even for "American" kids but he's paid for it by having one of the LARGEST ChiComms students population in the NATION...

Not sure why you believe Curtis is responsible for the bloated physical infrastructure of Indiana's state funded universities but in your world she's likely responsible for the earthquake in Turkey

 

[WOZ]

You missed the point.

Dick Lugar and others thought it was a pretty efficient/cost effective method to MERGE the existing IU and Purdue programs in Indianapolis... it worked so well, they did it in Fort Wayne... hell, it worked SO WELL, that they expanded it to Columbus (and frankly speaking) people can take a certain number of Purdue programs at any of the Regional IU "High Schools."

Today, 50+ years laters, Lil' Mitchie Daniels thinks it's "better" to split the two schools and somehow they'll be efficiencies?

Doesn't seem like Lil' Mitchie Daniels learned ANYTHING from his time on Lugar's staff

Hasn't Daniels sole goal at Purdue to "pull up the ladder" behind kids that are in? Yes, he's frozen tuition (for Indiana kids) -- maybe even for "American" kids but he's paid for it by having one of the LARGEST ChiComms students population in the NATION...

Not sure why you believe Curtis is responsible for the bloated physical infrastructure of Indiana's state funded universities but in your world she's likely responsible for the earthquake in Turkey

No, I didn’t miss the point.
We are talking about the sad state of affairs at ISU . Curtis hasn’t got a clue on how to run a university (business). We have been in decline ever since she took office. How can you say otherwise?
Better wake up! Oh, I forgot, you said before that you are woke.

 

[bent20]

Speaking as a Terre Haute native who is also an Indiana State journalism grad who was fortunate enough to move on to a pretty nice gig outside the industry, it's sad to see the journalism department is gone, but I'm also not surprised. I wouldn't recommend the profession to anyone going into college now. You get paid nothing and no one appreciates the work you do, including the long hours. People have vilified the industry at the same time that newspaper companies have cannibalized their own institutions. So many of us have left the profession that all you have now is mostly kids doing the job. The quality has gone downhill quickly. Just look at the Tribstar, which is a shell of what it was 20 years ago and isn't likely to even still exist in another decade or two.

As for all the crying about the big bad journalism people being mean to Trump, maybe put that aside and look at what's happening around you. Future generations will no longer have credible journalism in most local communities. There are no more reporters covering city hall, schoolboards and local courts like we had in the past. That's all pretty much gone. The Sue Loughlins of the world dwindle by the day. Most of were laid off long ago, the rest of us got out before that happened to us. Now you have sites like this, at best, for people to get their news. If that was enough there wouldn't have been so much consternation here recently over whether the Tribstar was going to have a new ISU beat reporter.

 

[4Q_iu]

No, I didn’t miss the point.
We are talking about the sad state of affairs at ISU . Curtis hasn’t got a clue on how to run a university (business). We have been in decline ever since she took office. How can you say otherwise?
Better wake up! Oh, I forgot, you said before that you are woke.

When you extract a cranium from an orifice, you will likely still NOT realize you missed the point.

ISU's fortunes have ebbed and flowed for decades
yes, currently the fortunes are ebbing -- how much because of Curtis? Some obviously, all of it? No. Some of ISU's problems have existed for decades - blame her if you want but four of your fingers are pointing back at you.

Bradley was pretty open with the problems he faced.
Benjamin had an annual scrap with every community on campus, I recall agreeing with him on every issue.
Moore - nothing remarkable comes to mind; little to no progress.
Landini solved problems, created problems

 

[Jason Svoboda]

While I'm not a fan of Curtis, these enrollment problems existed under Bradley, too.

IMO, State chose to pivot hard into advertising being the affordable (sic: cheap) college option and that hasn't went over well. They already had a high percentage of first generation college students and Pell recipients that made it a really bad marketing strategy. Nobody wants to choose a cheap college because there is a mental connection to it being a cheap education -- i.e. you get what you pay for. That should be the final selling point after you've sold them on the education, programs, professors, college experience, etc. Oh, by the way, did you know how affordable we are? Instead, we fucking lead with that.

I said it when I was going through the college visit process with Tanner and attending all of the college nights with him at Fishers and what not, but Indiana State was just not present in the high functioning schools. The one college night they did send someone, it was a young girl who couldn't even answer questions we asked her.

They need to hire some amazing marking and admissions people that can fucking sell ketchup popsicles to eskimos. They need to know the school front to back. Then you have them pound the fuck out of the high functioning donut county schools. The Fishers, Carmels, Zionsvilles, Noblesvilles, Center Groves, etc. You go after high functioning kids that come from college educated families. You sell the fuck out of the Honors College because that is the kind of kids you should be chasing. Kids that you KNOW will be graduating. Then you turn those kids into influencers back in their communities. There are also the kids that will latch onto and drive your student experience, which then will help recruit.

But hey, maybe we can be more inclusive and get more kids from Lake county that will likely be gone after a year. State, your strategy fucking sucks. If kids want a cheap education, they'll go to a regional campus or Ivy Tech. Okay, jumping off my soapbox.

 

[sdjessie]

While I'm not a fan of Curtis, these enrollment problems existed under Bradley, too.

IMO, State chose to pivot hard into advertising being the affordable (sic: cheap) college option and that hasn't went over well. They already had a high percentage of first generation college students and Pell recipients that made it a really bad marketing strategy. Nobody wants to choose a cheap college because there is a mental connection to it being a cheap education -- i.e. you get what you pay for. That should be the final selling point after you've sold them on the education, programs, professors, college experience, etc. Oh, by the way, did you know how affordable we are? Instead, we fucking lead with that.

I said it when I was going through the college visit process with Tanner and attending all of the college nights with him at Fishers and what not, but Indiana State was just not present in the high functioning schools. The one college night they did send someone, it was a young girl who couldn't even answer questions we asked her.

They need to hire some amazing marking and admissions people that can fucking sell ketchup popsicles to eskimos. They need to know the school front to back. Then you have them pound the fuck out of the high functioning donut county schools. The Fishers, Carmels, Zionsvilles, Noblesvilles, Center Groves, etc. You go after high functioning kids that come from college educated families. You sell the fuck out of the Honors College because that is the kind of kids you should be chasing. Kids that you KNOW will be graduating. Then you turn those kids into influencers back in their communities. There are also the kids that will latch onto and drive your student experience, which then will help recruit.

But hey, maybe we can be more inclusive and get more kids from Lake county that will likely be gone after a year. State, your strategy fucking sucks. If kids want a cheap education, they'll go to a regional campus or Ivy Tech. Okay, jumping off my soapbox.

You got it ... on a committee saw a SAT score of i tjink it was 350 quantitative and 300 verbal but a very good high school average from an innee city Chicago school ... admitted with no additional requirements ... no.mentor assigned.

 

[sycamore tuff]

While I'm not a fan of Curtis, these enrollment problems existed under Bradley, too.

IMO, State chose to pivot hard into advertising being the affordable (sic: cheap) college option and that hasn't went over well. They already had a high percentage of first generation college students and Pell recipients that made it a really bad marketing strategy. Nobody wants to choose a cheap college because there is a mental connection to it being a cheap education -- i.e. you get what you pay for. That should be the final selling point after you've sold them on the education, programs, professors, college experience, etc. Oh, by the way, did you know how affordable we are? Instead, we fucking lead with that.

I said it when I was going through the college visit process with Tanner and attending all of the college nights with him at Fishers and what not, but Indiana State was just not present in the high functioning schools. The one college night they did send someone, it was a young girl who couldn't even answer questions we asked her.

They need to hire some amazing marking and admissions people that can fucking sell ketchup popsicles to eskimos. They need to know the school front to back. Then you have them pound the fuck out of the high functioning donut county schools. The Fishers, Carmels, Zionsvilles, Noblesvilles, Center Groves, etc. You go after high functioning kids that come from college educated families. You sell the fuck out of the Honors College because that is the kind of kids you should be chasing. Kids that you KNOW will be graduating. Then you turn those kids into influencers back in their communities. There are also the kids that will latch onto and drive your student experience, which then will help recruit.

But hey, maybe we can be more inclusive and get more kids from Lake county that will likely be gone after a year. State, your strategy fucking sucks. If kids want a cheap education, they'll go to a regional campus or Ivy Tech. Okay, jumping off my soapbox.

Just in case nobody read it, here it is again. Great post Jason!!!!!!!!!

 

[bent20]

While I'm not a fan of Curtis, these enrollment problems existed under Bradley, too.

IMO, State chose to pivot hard into advertising being the affordable (sic: cheap) college option and that hasn't went over well. They already had a high percentage of first generation college students and Pell recipients that made it a really bad marketing strategy. Nobody wants to choose a cheap college because there is a mental connection to it being a cheap education -- i.e. you get what you pay for. That should be the final selling point after you've sold them on the education, programs, professors, college experience, etc. Oh, by the way, did you know how affordable we are? Instead, we fucking lead with that.

I said it when I was going through the college visit process with Tanner and attending all of the college nights with him at Fishers and what not, but Indiana State was just not present in the high functioning schools. The one college night they did send someone, it was a young girl who couldn't even answer questions we asked her.

They need to hire some amazing marking and admissions people that can fucking sell ketchup popsicles to eskimos. They need to know the school front to back. Then you have them pound the fuck out of the high functioning donut county schools. The Fishers, Carmels, Zionsvilles, Noblesvilles, Center Groves, etc. You go after high functioning kids that come from college educated families. You sell the fuck out of the Honors College because that is the kind of kids you should be chasing. Kids that you KNOW will be graduating. Then you turn those kids into influencers back in their communities. There are also the kids that will latch onto and drive your student experience, which then will help recruit.

But hey, maybe we can be more inclusive and get more kids from Lake county that will likely be gone after a year. State, your strategy fucking sucks. If kids want a cheap education, they'll go to a regional campus or Ivy Tech. Okay, jumping off my soapbox.

Speaking from a largely outside perspective as I'm not as close to things as many here, the overall mindset at ISU has sucked for a very long time. It's not just the students going there, but also the leaders who have an almost apologetic approach with no pride, no vision. Always trying to find our niche in order to survive rather than standing on our own as a legitimate university. The campus looks much better these days, many improvements, so I'll give them that, downtown TH, too, but to what end? All at a time when virtual learning and shopping is becoming more and more of a challenge to compete with. So, what's the end game to that vision? What we see with the sports programs is no accident. It's a trickledown effect of just having a bad mindset as an institution. There are of course some exceptions to that thanks to some good people/leaders involved with the school, but that's not the norm. I can only imagine the uphill battles anyone coming to ISU faces, and I'm talking about the mental/mindset barriers you have to overcome before you even get to the practical financial ones.

 

[sdjessie]

I will share a story that is true ... happened some time ago .... other administrstors in office. I gave 2 different versions of a stat test in class. Got 2 back with exactly the same answers. Problem was different exams. Met with the appropiate source outside of my unit. It seemed nothing would be done. I said if this was a service institution like the Naval academy or the Air Force academy there would probably be immediate expulsion. What response did she give. "WE ARE NOT A SERVICE INSTITUTION," i swear to God that is the truth. Take the easy way out ... avoid conflicts at all cost .... yes ... some problems for awhile.

 

[4Q_iu]

I will share a story that is true ... happened some time ago .... other administrstors in office. I gave 2 different versions of a stat test in class. Got 2 back with exactly the same answers. Problem was different exams. Met with the appropiate source outside of my unit. It seemed nothing would be done. I said if this was a service institution like the Naval academy or the Air Force academy there would probably be immediate expulsion. What response did she give. "WE ARE NOT A SERVICE INSTITUTION," i swear to God that is the truth. Take the easy way out ... avoid conflicts at all cost .... yes ... some problems for awhile.

Here's a story... happened a while ago, it'll happen again soon

There's cheating at all of the Service Academies - E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E of them

EVERY problem in Society, exists in the Military; odd are when that problem arises, it's dealt with - not always but more than the rest of Society

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Updated title to include new information.

- From 9 to 6 Deans
- From 12 to 5 Associate/Assistant Deans
- Some Staff Laid Off (Already known)
- Program Suspensions/Eliminations

Indiana State University to cut administration positions, programs as part of $2.3 million budget reduction

Indiana State University will be cutting its administration budget by $2.3 million.

www.wthitv.com

 

[sdjessie]

Difference in strategies... i came to Indiana state University 30+ years ago as a tenured faculty member with Mississippi State University. At that time there were going to be large cuts in education throughout the state. The largest enrolled major at MSU at that time was Home Economics. MSU decided to cut that program as students were not getting good job offers. The state named different universities as leaders in diffrrent fields. MSU got engineering and Agricultural Science.
MSU undergads today 18, 584
11 years ago. 17, 782

MSU grad students today. 4502
11 years ago. 3750

Different philosophies


..

 

[4Q_iu]

Difference in strategies... i came to Indiana state University 30+ years ago as a tenured faculty member with Mississippi State University. At that time there were going to be large cuts in education throughout the state. The largest enrolled major at MSU at that time was Home Economics. MSU decided to cut that program as students were not getting good job offers. The state named different universities as leaders in diffrrent fields. MSU got engineering and Agricultural Science.
MSU undergads today 18, 584
11 years ago. 17, 782

MSU grad students today. 4502
11 years ago. 3750

Different philosophies


..

you're comparing Miss State to Indiana State?

30+ years at Indiana State should have made these facts clear...

U. Mississippi = Ind Univ
Miss State = Purdue
U. Southern Mississippi ~= Indiana State or Ball State

30+ years at Indiana State should also make this fact clear... Indiana State is NEVER the first in line for $$$ from the state capitol.

 

[sdjessie]

I am really comparing the differrnce in philosophies. The focus on turning out graduates who get quality jobs in high demand area versus just increasing students into majors such as general education ... who may never graduate and may not be in high demand areas. Remember missisdippi state cuts it's highest enrolled major as it did not fit with their definition of student success

 

[4Q_iu]

I am really comparing the differrnce in philosophies. The focus on turning out graduates who get quality jobs in high demand area versus just increasing students into majors such as general education ... who may never graduate and may not be in high demand areas. Remember missisdippi state cuts it's highest enrolled major as it did not fit with their definition of student success

Gotcha -- I put more of the blame on the knuckleheads in Indianapolis that have signed off on every expansion of the university system writ-large ACROSS Indiana.

Far too much infrastructure to support the state's true needs and that's manifested in low enrollment - far too much "manufactured' competition for a decreasing student population

 

[swsycamore]

They should just be honest and call it the office of "Reverse Racism". I'm sure a complete nut works it. MLK wanted a color blind society, not an equitable society. And there's a huge difference between equality and equity. Even our Declaration of Independence talks about equality and God given rights.

ISU has always had a high percentage of black students.

 

[sdjessie]

While I'm not a fan of Curtis, these enrollment problems existed under Bradley, too.

IMO, State chose to pivot hard into advertising being the affordable (sic: cheap) college option and that hasn't went over well.

Well .... same old song ....on today's news Curtis again said we are the most affordable. Now let's today you are a bright student coming from a family making a decent wage .... how much would the pitch of we are the chespest place in the state attract you ... they are still sold on that being the leading draw for ISU.

 

[bent20]

Well .... same old song ....on today's news Curtis again said we are the most affordable. Now let's today you are a bright student coming from a family making a decent wage .... how much would the pitch of we are the chespest place in the state attract you ... they are still sold on that being the leading draw for ISU.

Being affordable isn't a bad thing. We don't have to be more prestigious and exclusive to be more successful, that's a contest we're never going to win, but agree the talking points should be updated to reflect our achievements as an institution.

 

[sdjessie]

Being affordable isn't a bad thing. We don't have to be more prestigious and exclusive to be more successful, that's a contest we're never going to win, but agree the talking points should be updated to reflect our achievements as an institution.

That"s all I would like.

 

[Sycamorefan96]

I was talking to someone I know that works for ISU. They basically told me that most of the faculty and student body at ISU can't stand Curtis, and that she's running the place into the ground. Apparently for the layoff ISU is going to send their employees a letter in the mail if they're one of the ones getting axed.

Most of the alums that I know don't like her either, especially after the Homecoming fiasco. I'm not an alum, but I have two eyes and ears, and I think she's been nothing short of awful. The sad part is that she is an ISU alum, which is probably why she got the job in the first place.

Just curious. What exactly has she even accomplished at ISU since she arrived here besides building fancy looking buildings here and there? The way I understand it ISU has basically lowered their acceptance requirements to the same level that Ivy Tech has. Why pay all that money to go to ISU when you can get the same education for an associates degree at Ivy Tech (or similar) for much less? Based on how much money ISU seems to give away, I'm guessing a lot of 19 and 20 year olds are not paying to come to ISU for their first 2 years.