Let's drop it, then we can be just like Evansville.
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2024 Offseason Coaching Movement
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Do you think Evansville having a football team would change anything about the last 25 years of their basketball program?
Since most of you that want football dropped don't actually watch FCS football you may be surprised to learn that Memorial Stadium is actually average in the FCS ranks. The problem is that it is not average in the MVFC. ISU football needs to follow WIU over to the OVC as a football-only member where it could actually compete on a regular basis against schools with similar budgets and facilities. If we some day hopefully make the move, maybe Murray State would also follow us back over there.
As someone who follows fcs football and has traveled to numerous stadiums around the country, we absolutely do not have an average FCS stadium. That’s just nonsense.
Not sure what stadiums you've been hanging out in but our stadium is most definitely average in the FCS.As someone who follows fcs football and has traveled to numerous stadiums around the country, we absolutely do not have an average FCS stadium. That’s just nonsense.
If we have an "average FCS stadium" then every FCS stadium in the nation should be condemed.As someone who follows fcs football and has traveled to numerous stadiums around the country, we absolutely do not have an average FCS stadium. That’s just nonsense.
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There's 128 FCS teams as of the upcoming 2024 season and 71 of them have a smaller stadium than we do, which means only 56 have a bigger stadium than ours. Now just because a stadium is bigger or smaller than ours doesn't necessarily make it worse or better, but ISU's stadium is most certainly average. Anyone ever been over to EIU? Our stadium is just as good as theirs, and I'd argue ours is a hair better outside of the press box.
So your definition of a good stadium is just mostly size? Dude.
For those following this conversation: here’s a list, out of 128 FCS stadiums, that ours is even on the same level on:
Valpo
Hampton
Furman
EIU
Houston Christian
SEMO
Not great company, nor could anyone that has any common sense say that ours is definitely better. Delusional.
Listed two OVC teams there which is where I said we need to move to. TN State's stadium is so awful that they play their games at Nissan. Lindenwood's stadium is small but decent. WIU, Tech, and Martin are nothing special. Not sure about Gardner Webb, but I've drove by Chuck South's and it is very small.
I would be furious if I paid for my kid to go here and I spent more than $1K a year subsidizing football……..
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I see you're back on the ganja
There is a guy on TikTok whose name is Gfed. He goes around to colleges and tries to get into stadiums and then records them. He’s been to several FCS, FBS, HBCU’s and even tried at some CFL, and NFL stadiums. Ours would be the worst stadium he would have been to. He’s been to SEMO and Lindenwoods and they are both better than ours. In fact, Lindenwoods is 10 x’s better than ours
So we move into the OVC where the other stadiums suck ass too, so no one can make fun of our decrepit stadium. Got it.
We also move into the OVC and now instead of going 2-9 each year we can go 4-7. Check.
But please explain, in detail if you please (I.e. not wishcasting) how that changes the math on the chart Jason posted?
I will post it again in case you missed it.
https://sycamorepride.com/attachments/theft-jpg.2489/
One day in the future I’m gonna come to this thread and a new open coaching position will be listed and I will celebrate being back on topic.
The only thing this chart shows is that ISU athletics is on the student fees & government support welfare system (71% of total revenue).
If the argument for dropping football is that you want to save the university a couple million a year then I suppose that's a valid argument (as would dropping ISU athletics as a whole down to D2 or D3 would be).
If however the argument is to drop football just so you can throw more money at basketball, and more specially a head coach, then that's a stupid argument. For every Josh Schertz there's 50 Greg Lansings and a 100 Ron Greenes. Paying a Schertz $1M or $1.5M a year is great until they eventually leave and you end up with an average coach or awful coach that has a buyout of $3-4M (that you still can't afford) that you can't wait to dump. Then you're at the same exact situation we've been in the last 40 or so years except you're paying more for it.
Don't believe me? Look 3 hours west on I-70 at St Louis University. They pay their coach Travis Ford $2.34M a year (highest in A10) and they suck (currently 8-13) and they're stuck with him for several more years yet because they can't afford the buy out.
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Thank you for posting a long response that doesn’t answer the question at all.
Why are you overlooking the 2nd largest piece of that pie? DONOR contributions ($2.84M, 15%) provide more revenue than "government support welfare system" ($2.09M, 11%)?
Is it deliberate to bolster your "argument" that all of ISU's problems well be resolved with a move to the OVC? SMH
What if ISU football WERE shuttered and most of that expense were dedicated to MBB... and HC JS CHOSE to stay in Terre Haute? Can you fathom that scenario? He spent 13 seasons in Harrogate, TN - with his record, he surely had other opportunities to leave, but he chose to stay THERE... why wouldn't he CHOSE to stay in T-H?
Not sure how Travis Ford factors into the ISU scenario - that's an issue for SLU; but I'd say their administration is choosing to NOT pursue a buyout, vs. "can't afford"... They have $$, the question is are they willing to hit up donors to buy him out, reset the program and start over?
A perspective on Ford @ St Louis...
https://www.a10talk.com/2022/01/deep-breath-lets-put-the-travis-ford-era-in-perspective/
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Agreed. This atmosphere is the perfect time to raise alumni donations and get support to continue to get butts in the seats. Wonder what HCJS thinks about dropping football so he can score on a big payday?
Someone said can The Varsity Club, or Athletic Dept. raise 3 million to compensate for keeping football. Didn’t they raise 100 million this year and 123 million last year to Give To Blue Day?
Would football fans of ISU get ticked off for dropping football to fund basketball?
I’m with you 96, but all I get out of these guys is, you must of had a stroke, you spelled a word wrong, your a D-Bag because you live in Texas, can’t understand math ect…. Any professional forum should not allow these 5 or 6 guys insult freedom, when we’re all on here to discuss Sycamore sports.
**sigh** no - The ISU Varsity Club/Athl Department did not raise $100M this year or $123M last year on Give To Blue Day...
In 2022 - ISU athletics were named in donations totaling $574,815 (the 3 largest groups WITHIN ISU athletics: MBB, FBall and Baseball in that order)
Here's the complete report - do the research:
https://givetoblue.indstate.edu/giving-day/47242/set/4479
As to 2023... again, the URL - do the research:
https://www.indstate.edu/give/givingday
The $100M is what the ISU Foundation raised for a variety of projects, programs, etc. - some of it was probably earmarked for Athletics but NOT the full $100M. Furthermore, I think the $100M is what was promised, committed to ISU - I doubt they have the full amount in hand today.
No clue where you've contrived $123M.