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Arguments for the jail location on the river.

Location - close proximity to court house (transporting inmates to & from the jail to court). Inside city limits - again keeping down costs for bringing in criminals.

Pod Style Jail - The design of a jail they want to build needs to be built on a larger plot of land than what the current jail and adjoining parking lots provide. In truth - I don’t know what a pod style jail is vs. other designs??

Stubbornness - people that really just want to win a pissing match with the public. I’m not sure what else it comes down to?!

Not really on the river - this argument is lame as F but some (Nasser for Mayor) claim it’s not technically on the river because it’s on such a large plot of land. He obviously doesn’t get the bigger picture.
 
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I mean if you get on Beacon and look at the east side of the town you really would be hard pressed to find enough land to build a casino. Gibson owns a decent size chunk of land between Walmart and the new hotel on the west side of US 40 - but it doesn't appear to be close to enough space for a casino/parking.

Then he owns another pretty good chunk of land on the east side between Meijer, Wabash Valley Asphalt and the TH Airport. If any location makes sense it's probably this property but again the casino will be located between a grocery store and an Asphalt company - which seems like a pretty Terre Haute thing to do.

Beyond that - he doesn't control as much land/opportunity to benefit as I originally thought. I asked a pretty good local source that I ran into this morning at Java Haute and he thinks the river is the best location and he's not convinced that the zoning will get approved for the river/jail. He doesn't think that is going to happen - he would know.

Conspiracy is that if indeed another casino/buyer could be looking at Terre Haute then they would be looking at the river location and that perhaps Gibson is looking out East - Gibson would want to see the jail on the river so they have no location on the river to build... Again - conspiracy.

I'm going to stand firm - I think the state of Indiana is not all that excited about the potential for a new casino in Terre Haute.
 
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SycamoreStateofMind said:
I mean if you get on Beacon and look at the east side of the town you really would be hard pressed to find enough land to build a casino. Gibson owns a decent size chunk of land between Walmart and the new hotel on the west side of US 40 - but it doesn't appear to be close to enough space for a casino/parking.

Then he owns another pretty good chunk of land on the east side between Meijer, Wabash Valley Asphalt and the TH Airport. If any location makes sense it's probably this property but again the casino will be located between a grocery store and an Asphalt company - which seems like a pretty Terre Haute thing to do.

Beyond that - he doesn't control as much land/opportunity to benefit as I originally thought. I asked a pretty good local source that I ran into this morning at Java Haute and he thinks the river is the best location and he's not convinced that the zoning will get approved for the river/jail. He doesn't think that is going to happen - he would know.

Conspiracy is that if indeed another casino/buyer could be looking at Terre Haute then they would be looking at the river location and that perhaps Gibson is looking out East - Gibson would want to see the jail on the river so they have no location on the river to build... Again - conspiracy.

I'm going to stand firm - I think the state of Indiana is not all that excited about the potential for a new casino in Terre Haute.
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Sometimes I wonder if the local pols ever think of what their reputation is in Indy? And by extension, the reputation of TH/Vigo County? They look like idiots. They got completely dressed down by the chairman of the State Senate Appropriations Committee during the HC/Convention Center debacle for dragging their feet. I'm sure the state doesn't look favorably on Terre Haute because the state is convinced it's run by mental midgets at best, and corrupt grifters at worst.

I hope your source is right, and that the rezoning thing doesn't happen. Put the jail at 13th and Hulman on the old Coke Plant site. Get Superfund money to clean up the rest of the stuff that needs cleaned up (didn't they do that once already?) and stick the jail there. It's already commercial/industrial, isn't that far from the courthouse (2.2 miles), and doesn't remove potentially valuable riverfront land from better uses.

That or use some land that the federal pen sits on. A land deal was already proffered to Vigo County and they rejected it. Either of these two seems a no brainer to me. But, then again, I don't live there anymore, so what do I know? :cheeky:
 
It seems to me, that unless you put the jail where they can walk inmates to the court house, it doesnt really matter where it is within reason.
 
niklz62 said:
It seems to me, that unless you put the jail where they can walk inmates to the court house, it doesn't really matter where it is within reason.
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To your point it's 2019 - why are we even bringing these inmates from a jail to a court house anyway. If physicians can diagnose and write scripts via video/phone/app/ why can't these judges hand down sentencing or have bond hearings or whatever it is they need to do via video. Why are we so damn concerned with the distance the new/proposed jail location is to our court system in the first place.

Well it's a long drive for cops to take criminals to south industrial park. Well I live near the south industrial park and work downtown - I've got about 4 different ways I can get to that side of town in 20 minutes or less. Granted that is 40 minutes round trip - but that is just the way it goes. If you don't want to go that far south - like ITF suggested just go to the federal/state penn location.

Preaching to the choir on here and wasting my time. But I feel better.
 
Im not sure of the legalities in your state for video. I know we do that here. they used to have a court room in the jail. we also have a tunnel that goes the 2 blocks to the court house.

if they cant do that, they should change the rule.
 

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IndyTreeFan said:
Now we’ll get to see how obstinate the county officials are. Will they sue? Or will they accept the decision and move on?
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My guess is they will move on.

- Federal and State Pen Location.

- 13th and Hulman Location. (Will need to do some more brownfield work - it’s a mess)

- South Industrial Park Location.

- West T / Toad Hop Location. (Will need to purchase more land though)

4 decent options potentially on the table. They will be okay, feelings aside and all!
 
Jason Svoboda said:
Can they not get some land right across the river in WTH?
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Do you mean Taylorville (Dresser)? What a dump. Well literally, it was a dump. https://wthhistory.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/taylorville-60-acres-of-hell/

And if your talking acreage just south of Taylorville, that land is a mess too....

Though NOT an EPA Superfund site, it probably should be. There are 350 acres that Commercial Solvents (Pittman-Moore, Mallincrodt, Schering-Plough) owned over there, and there are still massive pipes in the Wabash that came from aforementioned site on 1st Street to the land across the river....not only did Commercial Solvents (and the others) pump gawd who knows what over there for decades, they buried their drums over there too. If the EPA ever Core Sampled that land over there, it probably wouldn't be pretty.
 
Gotta Hav said:
Do you mean Taylorville (Dresser)? What a dump. Well literally, it was a dump. https://wthhistory.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/taylorville-60-acres-of-hell/

And if your talking acreage just south of Taylorville, that land is a mess too....

Though NOT an EPA Superfund site, it probably should be. There are 350 acres that Commercial Solvents (Pittman-Moore, Mallincrodt, Schering-Plough) owned over there, and there are still massive pipes in the Wabash that came from aforementioned site on 1st Street to the land across the river....not only did Commercial Solvents (and the others) pump gawd who knows what over there for decades, they buried their drums over there too. If the EPA ever Core Sampled that land over there, it probably wouldn't be pretty.
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I personally do not get the attraction for the old IP property I mean there is industrial waste there as well . The property actually sits away from the river , Between the river and anything that is built is the retention ponds for the Sewage disposal plant right down 63 . People are acting like this land is so valuable I honestly do not get it how many of you want to walk along the river and bang you have sewage in your way. Or lets build a nice resturant I mena whats better than eating a nice juicy rib eye and the smell of turds when the river rises . .
 

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Daveinth said:
I personally do not get the attraction for the old IP property I mean there is industrial waste there as well . The property actually sits away from the river , Between the river and anything that is built is the retention ponds for the Sewage disposal plant right down 63 . People are acting like this land is so valuable I honestly do not get it how many of you want to walk along the river and bang you have sewage in your way. Or lets build a nice resturant I mena whats better than eating a nice juicy rib eye and the smell of turds when the river rises . .
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I think 20 years ago if you took 100 people out to the east side of town, past Dobbs Park, past the Airport and to a former dump site and you told them our plan is to convert this former dump site and reclaimed coal mine into a one of the most revered cross country courses in all the land - it will host multiple NCAA D1 National Championships, it will host the IHSAA State Cross Country meets and thousands of kids a year will come here to race on this former dump. My guess is 99 out of 100 would have said you're crazy and you're wasting your time.

https://www.tribstar.com/news/local...cle_6ae168f8-392f-5e7e-9fce-b702c16e1e7c.html

If one of those 99 out of 100 wasn't John McNichols then it would have never came to be. I get that location might not come across at first glance as the most desirable location - but it doesn't mean someone with a vision can' transform it. That vision becomes much more difficult had they approved the rezoning and built a jail on that land.

Here is what happened - sure you have a group of people that really believe in "Riverscape" and what they are trying to do. The majority of people that don't want to see this jail go on the river probably didn't even know what Riverscape was before all of this started - hell they still probably don't care. The way the county tried to force this single location in a city/county of this size on people without even seriously considering other locations pissed people off - it gave them a reason to support the Riverscape.
 
Daveinth said:
I personally do not get the attraction for the old IP property I mean there is industrial waste there as well . The property actually sits away from the river , Between the river and anything that is built is the retention ponds for the Sewage disposal plant right down 63 . People are acting like this land is so valuable I honestly do not get it how many of you want to walk along the river and bang you have sewage in your way. Or lets build a nice resturant I mena whats better than eating a nice juicy rib eye and the smell of turds when the river rises . .
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And to throw the last log on the Banks of the Wabash River Fire, the Western Tar Products plant. I only hoped that fumes from this heavy industrial factory wouldn't take the paint off of my car as I drove by. How does a 100 year old creosote plant, not have problems with its soil and groundwater yet today...or for that matter, pollution problems for the next 100 years.

https://www.tribstar.com/news/local...cle_8bc38ae6-a6d2-5b67-8524-d72960a41c5d.html
 
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