[December 21, 2011] Louisiana-Monroe (1-11) vs. Indiana State (8-2)

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With both sides citing "great D," sounds a lil' fishy, doesn't it? :) Perhaps we were still hung over from that long return trip from Nashville on Sunday morning...
 

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I am not going to say there wasn't good defense being played on both sides, but at some point bad offense took that game over. We play good defense, but when a team scores 35 points, I would say that is TERRIBLE offense. It was just a poorly played game all the way around.
 
MEM said:
I am not going to say there wasn't good defense being played on both sides, but at some point bad offense took that game over. We play good defense, but when a team scores 35 points, I would say that is TERRIBLE offense. It was just a poorly played game all the way around.
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Negative, Negative, Negative! Cheer up, could be worse! We are a 9-2 ball club. Someone please help me when is the last time we finished the non conference with a better record than 9-2? Please help? Hurry? The fact that it doesn't come to mind should tell you something. Be happy with what we have - Lansing said last night, his job as a coach isn't to make the fans happy - his job is to win basketball games and he's winning basketball games with the players he has. Look, I will tell you right now that he doesn't have the biggest, fastest, most athletic, best shooting, best rebounding, best anything team in the country - but what we are is 9-2 and we enter conference play with a very respectable non conference record. Now be gone with your negative comments...
 
The answer to the question, I believe, is the 79-80 team. Don't quote me 'cause I didn't research it. It has been awhile since we have started out this strong.

You know if you were to double both teams production the score would have been 100 to 70 and we win by thirty. Either way we were thirty percent better than them and that's a great win. Look and see how many teams win by that margin not many.
 
give me heart said:
The answer to the question, I believe, is the 79-80 team. Don't quote me 'cause I didn't research it. It has been awhile since we have started out this strong.

You know if you were to double both teams production the score would have been 100 to 70 and we win by thirty. Either way we were thirty percent better than them and that's a great win. Look and see how many teams win by that margin not many.
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That's a good point heart... People don't see the reality that we controlled that game, was it pretty? No. Was it showtime lakers basketball? No. It's good ole fashioned floor burn basketball. Mike dantoni would have vommited. We don't need the pretty basketball if we want to win regularly, alot of teams play that style but that rare defensive team can dominate in the long haul
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
Negative, Negative, Negative! Cheer up, could be worse! We are a 9-2 ball club. Someone please help me when is the last time we finished the non conference with a better record than 9-2? Please help? Hurry? The fact that it doesn't come to mind should tell you something. Be happy with what we have - Lansing said last night, his job as a coach isn't to make the fans happy - his job is to win basketball games and he's winning basketball games with the players he has. Look, I will tell you right now that he doesn't have the biggest, fastest, most athletic, best shooting, best rebounding, best anything team in the country - but what we are is 9-2 and we enter conference play with a very respectable non conference record. Now be gone with your negative comments...
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On 92.7 last night coach actually apologized to the fans for a crappy game. I don't know why everyone is supposed to see roses and rainbows after every game. Truth is, that game sucked!! If you don't think so, then you are not being honest with yourself. ISU shot 39%. My point is they are WAY too good to play like they did. I am critical during a win because I believe they are capable of better. I understand every game is not going to be their best, but what I don't understand is (imo) a lack of energy and effort. You say we are 9-2...I say we should be at least 10-1, if not 11-0. There are some issues with the team and pretending everything is great doesn't change that. So what you see as "being negative", I see as being realistic. It's not like anybody is calling for the coaches head or to bench players. Everyone just wants to see them play their best and be ready for the Creighton's and WSU's. There will be ups and downs still to come, but I really think this team can beat the best in the Valley if they stay mentally sharp throughout the season. :sycamores:
 

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MEM said:
On 92.7 last night coach actually apologized to the fans for a crappy game. I don't know why everyone is supposed to see roses and rainbows after every game. Truth is, that game sucked!! If you don't think so, then you are not being honest with yourself. ISU shot 39%. My point is they are WAY too good to play like they did. I am critical during a win because I believe they are capable of better. I understand every game is not going to be their best, but what I don't understand is (imo) a lack of energy and effort. You say we are 9-2...I say we should be at least 10-1, if not 11-0. There are some issues with the team and pretending everything is great doesn't change that. So what you see as "being negative", I see as being realistic. It's not like anybody is calling for the coaches head or to bench players. Everyone just wants to see them play their best and be ready for the Creighton's and WSU's. There will be ups and downs still to come, but I really think this team can beat the best in the Valley if they stay mentally sharp throughout the season. :sycamores:
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Indeed we will have ups and downs during the season, quit treating wins like downs - we will have enough chances to throw this team under the bus, it's college basketball that sort of thing happens. When it comes time to be critical of them I'm sure I won't have a problem doing that. I'm not trying to paint a pretty picture here, not once have I said that I thought Indiana State played well, nor was it fun to watch. As I stated above, Lansing also said that it wasn't his job to make the game entertaining for the fans, his job is to help his team win basketball games.

The whole "killer instinct" mantra with this team is cliche at best. What don't people realize about this teams style of play? We are not going to out athlete a lot of teams, out shoot a lot of teams (although we can rip the nets), out run a lot of teams, out rebound a lot of teams the list goes on and one. We play a grind it out style of basketball and we often times play up or down to the level of competition we are playing. It has nothing to do with not having a killer instinct, we've won 9 games and if it's a crime to be content with that then arrest me because I'm happy with the way we played during the non conference slate.
 
I will take all of the ugly W's we can get over a pretty L anytime. The team accomplished it's goal for the night which was to win, be happy and enjoy until the next practice session. As far as Lansing apologizing to the fans is concerned well coaches have different types of "talk" war room talk, dressing room talk and public relations talk, just take it with a grain of salt.
 
2 questions for you SSOM:

#1- Did you feel great walking away from the ULM game?

#2- Did you think the ISU team that played Vandy was the same team that showed up against ULM?
 
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MEM said:
2 questions for you SSOM:

#1- Did you feel great walking away from the ULM game?

#2- Did you think the ISU team that played Vandy was the same team that showed up against ULM?
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1. I've slept since then but if I remember correctly I felt great. I was a little tired after a long day at work and basketball game but I think I was feeling ok. Thanks for asking!

2. No it wasn't the same ISU team, both Koang and Kitch played in this game. Neither of them played vs. Vandy.

Not to be a total smart ass but come on... lol Did I feel great? I felt fine, I mean really. We won by 15 points, would I have liked us to score the ball a little better than we did? Sure I would have... But a win is a win no matter how you spin it. Let me spell it out to you like this - Sycamores look like junk in a win vs. D2 Maryville (we only beat them by 11), we come back and play Vandy and beat them 6 and now we played ULM and beat them by 15. My point once again, the Sycamores play to the level of the team that they are playing.
 
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What a change...this time last year people were melting down over a thirty something point loss to wyoming. This year in a low possession affair we win by 15 and this place is in meltdown mode.
People, this is the way the team will be I am pretty sure that you can count the amount of 20 plus blowouts in mvc play o. One hand this year. It doesn't make us less of a team but it can come back to bite us.
 

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Hey, everyone wants this squad running on all cylinders heading into MVC play. We clearly SPUTTERED this past game despite winning by double digits. Not the type of machine performance you want a few nights before the "big race." Everyone will get over it...but the concerns are justified.

As SSOM and others stated, "WE play to the level of our opponet."
 
Quoted from the ESPN.com blurb:

"It’s the fewest points allowed by the Sycamores since the shot clock was introduced in 1985-86."

This is what I'm focusing on from the ULM game.

How many teams have held their D-1 opponent to 35 points this season...a legit question.
 
Quabachi said:
Quoted from the ESPN.com blurb:

"It’s the fewest points allowed by the Sycamores since the shot clock was introduced in 1985-86."

This is what I'm focusing on from the ULM game.

How many teams have held their D-1 opponent to 35 points this season...a legit question.
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Or ANY opponent? Anytime you have a bad offensive game and win--well, that's a good thing. Anytime you have a bad offensive game and win by 15--that's very good D. Some of us don't like it. Some of us may not understand this is the way this team will be. Some of us need to accept this team as it is. I don't see it changing, and I don't see us getting beat too often. These guys are not terrific scorers or shooters; they are not terrific rebounders; they are not terrific ball handlers. Well then, you ask, what are they? Simple--they are winners!
 
"Please...no more "excellent defense" crap on this game. My God, this team could hardly walk. I could've put a group of well-drilled 4th graders (pre-Holiday school break) on the court and paralyzed 'em!"

I think this pretty much sums up that team. Wow were they bad. They are a D-1 school? I think ULM vs. St. Mary of the Woods would be a barn burner. Can we stop talking about how good our defense was. If we would've played only Koang and Kitchell vs. their five we would've beaten this team. Our defense was "so good" because we played against a team that couldn't compete against mediocre D3 girls teams. Am I the only one who thought that we were playing half-a##ed? Sorry, but this game proved absolutely nothing except that we play down or up to our competition.
 

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You want to talk about being negative!! I am sick of hearing "this team isn't good at this or that!!" Yes, they are. They have some GREAT shooters. They have GREAT defenders. They have a GREAT point guard. They have bigs who can run and play all over the court. They beat a ranked team for the first time in 5 or so years. What I'm saying is this team can be GREAT!! Sometimes they just seem disinterested. As for ULM only scoring 35...as I've said before, that was one of the worst teams I can remember seeing in a while. They were terrible, and I don't think that is a strong enough word for it.
 
"You want to talk about being negative!! I am sick of hearing "this team isn't good at this or that!!" Yes, they are. They have some GREAT shooters. They have GREAT defenders. They have a GREAT point guard. They have bigs who can run and play all over the court. They beat a ranked team for the first time in 5 or so years. What I'm saying is this team can be GREAT!! Sometimes they just seem disinterested. As for ULM only scoring 35...as I've said before, that was one of the worst teams I can remember seeing in a while. They were terrible, and I don't think that is a strong enough word for it."

I agree with you brother.
 
Yeah, it wasn't pretty. It was hard to watch. I could have slept through a lot of it, but I keep going back to my sports mantra:

I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty.
'Nuff said!!!
 
I love that we're "arguing" about a 9-2 team.

So much better than everyone having the same opinions about a 2-9 team.
 
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