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Give me break. Who would go to watch men's volleyball?
Goodnight! Who would pay to see Men’s Volleyball? Geez!
Again who gives a crap
The point is to compliant
And not continue to lose money and be an embarrassment playing football
I wouldn't go for free lol.
This looks like a pretty decent crowd for ISU-M. Good men's volleyball is actually pretty popular...
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I assume you are either a season ticket holder for football or pay to attend every game
Bet not
Well you bet wrong
.OhWell you bet wrong
Then I don’t get it
You don’t support a losing program but also are reluctant to try something different
That’s ISU for you
Wait, you're mad that I buy tickets for football? I've been attending ISU football games my entire life and I plan my work schedule (truck driver) around them so I can attend as many as possible each season. I don't think Mallory is a very good coach, but I'm not going to stop supporting over it. He'll either get it turned around somehow or he'll get himself fired in a few more years.
I've also watched Eastern Illinois be pathetic for the past 5 or 6 years and now they're finally getting things figured out again it looks like. I don't throw up the white flag when things get tough.
They just won’t stop 96 will they?
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this comment describing our football “program”. Lol.
Early nominee for understatement of the century.
sycamore tuff
The Newsom Level
One college thinks fcs football would help them.
Chicago State wants to start a football team. I went to campus to find
What does Chicago State need in order to make an FCS football dream a reality?
www.extrapointsmb.com
Seems like a solid idea.
That said, notice how all of the articles talk about fundraising efforts to make that happen. Hmm.
The AD is new to the job, she's trying to make her mark... she's proud of the "... partnership with Thrivent Financial to support athletic operations and campus-wide social justice internship initiatives which provided student-athletes with financial literacy workshops and resources..." at her last gig and wants to show Chicago St, she's learned little wrt Financial Literacy by establishing a guaranteed $$ losing program...
SMH
If Northeastern Illinois Univ (with triple the student population AND triple the endowment) realized that ncaa div I sports is a poor investment; wonder how ol' Doc Carroll intends to make it work at Chicago State...
SMH
Of course IF she CAN make it work, then let's hope UIC jumps on that bandwagon and with any luck the MVFC can shed a Dakota school and let the Flames replace them!!
Chicago State wants to start a football team. I went to campus to find
What does Chicago State need in order to make an FCS football dream a reality?
Seems like a solid idea.
That said, notice how all of the articles talk about fundraising efforts to make that happen. Hmm.
And just think of all of the non-revenue producing (women's) sports that are needed to balance an 85-scholarship football roster...
the potential stadium (SeatGeek Stadium) in 'nearby' Bridgeview is ~13 miles away -- that'll make for a HELLUVA Homecoming "Walk" ala Terre Haute...
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SouthernForest
The Blue Level
My first semester on campus was Spring 1979. (I timed my arrival well, if I do say so myself.) I heard my first rumblings about the football program that fall. It has proceeded, more or less unabated, ever since. What goes on with ISU football is similar to what economists call the demonstration effect. That describes a scenario where people have an idea of what their standard of living "ought" to be like and they'll even dip into savings (or rack up massive credit card debt) in order to maintain their (erroneous) idea of what their ability to consume is supposed to look like. (Thank you,, Prof. Creason. I was awake for that lecture!).
At ISU, we've had some success over time in sports like basketball and baseball, but by and large football success has eluded us. A small proportion of the university community cares very passionately about football, but the rest of the university doesn't care now and, truth be told, hasn't cared for going on 50 years. Still. we've got this inflated idea of the benefits that sports generally bring to the university's brand and that, if we just do something a little different, we're going to get different results. Not exactly doing the same thing over and over again, but close.
It would be one thing if any of this was self-financing, but it isn't. Like most athletic programs, the one at ISU is an administrative overhead that gets paid for by increases in student fees. In essence, we're taxing current students to a) subsidize the recreation habits of a small group of alumni, and b) chase some administrator's pipe dream that ISU can afford an athletic program that somehow will attract enough additional students to offset that program's cost. The former simply is a bad business practice akin to losing $5 on every sale and hoping to make up for the loss by increasing sales volume. As for the latter, we have at least four decades' experience (that I know of personally) to show that it just isn't going to happen.
College sports is a good example of what the "real world" would look like if it were being run by university administrators. There are successes, but they seldom have anything to do with administrative decisions. What we've got is almost a perfect Ponzi Scheme where early adopters (Big 10, SEC, etc.) win and everybody else loses. (It's not impossible to fall out of the winner's group (Oregon State and Washington State are current examples), but gaining access to that group (see Louisville, Boise State) is a much greater challenge.) The best way to "win" in the current environment is to figure out how to cut your losses the way the Ivy League did when the NCAA University Division split into 1-A and 1-AA. And that probably means learning to stop throwing good money after bad.
At ISU, we've had some success over time in sports like basketball and baseball, but by and large football success has eluded us. A small proportion of the university community cares very passionately about football, but the rest of the university doesn't care now and, truth be told, hasn't cared for going on 50 years. Still. we've got this inflated idea of the benefits that sports generally bring to the university's brand and that, if we just do something a little different, we're going to get different results. Not exactly doing the same thing over and over again, but close.
It would be one thing if any of this was self-financing, but it isn't. Like most athletic programs, the one at ISU is an administrative overhead that gets paid for by increases in student fees. In essence, we're taxing current students to a) subsidize the recreation habits of a small group of alumni, and b) chase some administrator's pipe dream that ISU can afford an athletic program that somehow will attract enough additional students to offset that program's cost. The former simply is a bad business practice akin to losing $5 on every sale and hoping to make up for the loss by increasing sales volume. As for the latter, we have at least four decades' experience (that I know of personally) to show that it just isn't going to happen.
College sports is a good example of what the "real world" would look like if it were being run by university administrators. There are successes, but they seldom have anything to do with administrative decisions. What we've got is almost a perfect Ponzi Scheme where early adopters (Big 10, SEC, etc.) win and everybody else loses. (It's not impossible to fall out of the winner's group (Oregon State and Washington State are current examples), but gaining access to that group (see Louisville, Boise State) is a much greater challenge.) The best way to "win" in the current environment is to figure out how to cut your losses the way the Ivy League did when the NCAA University Division split into 1-A and 1-AA. And that probably means learning to stop throwing good money after bad.
Incredibly well said. Bravo!
Every FCS football team lost on average of $14.5 Million. Of the 97 Institutions that do not have football in D-1 had a negative net revenue with a median loss of $14.6 million