I can't believe this is 10 pages long.
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Horizon League will expand, IPFW to announce move Tuesday
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Most of it is unrelated to the original topic, LOL
exactly
Yeah you are right... we (ISU) could never compete with Butler, Dayton, St. Louis, Belmont, etc.... we would be their door mat... LOL :smile: and I better get off this thread! LOL It will be 20 pages if I don't stop....
Compete consistently? We can't.
Schools that don't field scholarship football programs have millions more they can put into their basketball programs for coaching, recruiting and buying games. If you don't think the financials matter, there is no point in having a discussion.
OK - Got it... But Butler and Dayton have FCS programs.... St. Louis, Belmont, UE.... I think ISU would compete well with them.... Just my opinion... Belmont is not a real power but consistently well coached with good system in place. I don't think they recruit athletic players... they recruit players that are fairly athletic and can "play" as a team. Belmont buys games... and Dayton? Financials are VERY important... so I'm learning here... That's why I like the geographics and leveraging the Ohio Valley area cities.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jason Svoboda View Post
Compete consistently? We can't.
Schools that don't field scholarship football programs have millions more they can put into their basketball programs for coaching, recruiting and buying games. If you don't think the financials matter, there is no point in having a discussion.
and oh man... that Pioneer Football League is a logistical and geographical nightmare and to be FCS? realignment baby... and why is Morehead in there?
Compete consistently? We can't.
Schools that don't field scholarship football programs have millions more they can put into their basketball programs for coaching, recruiting and buying games. If you don't think the financials matter, there is no point in having a discussion.
and oh man... that Pioneer Football League is a logistical and geographical nightmare and to be FCS? realignment baby... and why is Morehead in there?
PLEASE, everyone ........let's stop this ridiculous thread!
If this doesn't interest you, see the door.
So you think Butler and Dayton with FCS football teams and being a geographical fit are not a financial fit? I'm guessing they are losing all their revenue to extreme travel within their conference for ALL teams fielded. I know some can say - they are private and their bank has no bottom to it... but I don't think that's true... SLU has EXTREME travel concerns too... and when you look at Butler and Dayton's FCS travel - it's outrageous... crazy outrageous.... I mean their accounting executives have to be scratching their heads. Same for SLU... You disagree? I think most MVC and OVC schools compete well with these teams.
And the travel to St. Louis, Cinci/Dayton, Nashville, & Indy is frankly appealing and potentially fun with financial rewards for alumni event building activities, and it's the same market for school recruiting, etc.
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Bally #50
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Remember that Butler and Dayton are FCS (non-scholarship) or the so-called 1-AAA. That can make those travel costs a little easier to deal with. It's not like they are "paying" for 63 scholarships at Butler rates!
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Good point... I would say... Private tuition rates are a wash.... For instance... I student will get grants and scholarships worth 60% of tuition minimum if they are a 3.5+ gpa student, typically... which are most students who attend privates... the true cost of those potential football scholarships would not be that great if they were to move to a conference with ISU and others - and are forced to provide scholarships... In addition to the upgraded football conference, they receive savings in travel expenses. Would they come out ahead??? hmmmm add up all the athletic teams and their travel requirements within the conference? I really don't know... I'm guessing significant savings... Thoughts? I know Jason has probably ran the numbers before on a different thread somewhere. LOL
SycamoreFan317
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There is no way in hell that Butler will offer football scholarships, basketball is their focus 100%.
Oh, don't get me wrong... I think it's unlikely for Butler to offer football scholarships, too... But, frankly, isn't hard for anyone to deny (University officials included) the benefits of a strong conference with a geographical radius of about 350 miles? Bring in Indy, St. Louis, Cinci, Nashville and mid majors in between? Strong market, easy logistics, good strong schools... great anchor cities to N, S, E, W. Great rivalries... I know Butler and Dayton have nice TV packages but travel has to gobble that up quickly... that tv package is the only way they could move to an East based conference, right? I think those cities and schools I mention could possibly bring in a nice deal too. You know... it hasn't happened that often when a realignment brings about the required travel that just happened with some schools... I think it is hard on the student athlete's too... Time will tell?
back on topic here, I don't see either team going to the Horizon League
http://www.allkyhoops.com/2015/03/murray-state-belmont-mentioned-as.html?m=1
http://www.allkyhoops.com/2015/03/murray-state-belmont-mentioned-as.html?m=1
i agree. IUPUI, IPFW, and maybe NKU are better fits for the Horizon... I thought I read an article about NKU potentially starting a football program in a few years - with no football in Horizon that would be a concern. MSU has football and I can't see Belmont leaving the comfy OVC with their HQ in Nashville. Now - MSU and Belmont to the MVC seems like a reasonable move... but that's an odd number if UAB moves in - so offer St. Louis to get 14. IPFW to Horizon IMHO.
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Yeah, I doubt Murray goes anywhere because they do have football. I don't know if they'd bring football to the MVFC if they came? I doubt they'd be very competitive in the MVFC.
Will be very interesting to see who the Horizon does add though. Will there be a ripple effect from their poaching or not?
If UAB does indeed need to find a new conference home, do we add just them, or 2-3 teams (in case Wichita State does get poached?)
Will be very interesting to see who the Horizon does add though. Will there be a ripple effect from their poaching or not?
If UAB does indeed need to find a new conference home, do we add just them, or 2-3 teams (in case Wichita State does get poached?)
Not sure - I think that article is a smoke screen or something... Not much logic to it. If UAB comes in I would do my best to keep the numbers even... and I know the MVC does not want to look like a thief - stealing teams... but I would let a couple schools know the door is open if they want to chat. Murray and Belmont come to mind and most think St. Louis isn't reality... but I like them geographically, market wise, and they fit with the MVC private schools.
Not sure about Wichita City - what other conference would they be a fit for? They are not private, they are not catholic. Big 12? No football. Geographically - you have Wichita City, Denver, ORU, UNI, Drake, NDSU, UMKC, SDSU, USD, WIU, Missouri State, and Creighton. All that means little though. Who knows? I don't see Wichita City going anywhere unless a major realignment happens, do you?
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this will, of course, NEVER happen, but geographically, Wichita State best fits in the Summit League, LOL
I have heard more than one say we want an even number. Why?